Brief report about the Tango Conference 2008 in Torun

[Andrei Alexandrescu]

Alexander Pánek wrote:
> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>> Jason House wrote:
>>> Sean Kelly Wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alexander Pánek wrote:
>>>>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>>>>> Alexander Panek wrote:
>>>>>>> bearophile wrote:
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>> regarding a common runtime for Phobos and Tango,<
>>>>>>>> Can you give a little summary of this?
>>>>>>> Well, there’s a project on dsource (druntime: 
>>>>>>> http://dsource.org/projects/druntime) which is supposed to
>>>>>>> hold that common runtime.
>>>>>> I just thought I'd mention that if anyone wants to play with this, 
>>>>>> the runtime is fully functional and there are versions available 
>>>>>> for both D 1.0 and D 2.0 (in a branch and trunk, respectively).  
>>>>>> Assuming everything works out however, I expect
>>>>>> that only Phobos for D 2.0 will actually use the common
>>>>>> runtime, since D 1.0 is in maintenance mode now.
>>>>> Ah, good to know. What are the differences between druntime and
>>>>> Tango’s runtime? What about the features Tango has but Phobos
>>>>> doesn’t?
>>>> The location of things have changed and certain bits have been
>>>> tightened up a bit compared to Tango, but the functionality should
>>>> be identical to Tango's runtime.  With that in mind, if you want to
>>>> try it out, build druntime and replace tango-base-dmd.lib with
>>>> druntime-dmd.lib, get rid of the .di files in tango/core that are
>>>> generated by the lib build process, and use the top-level memory,
>>>> thread, etc, modules in their place.
>>>>
>>>> The project is really just a proof of concept at this point.  I've
>>>> got a version of Phobos for D 2.0 working on top of druntime with
>>>> no problems, for example, but there is no official support yet for
>>>> druntime from Phobos or Tango.
>>>>
>>>> In short, druntime works just fine, but to actually use it right
>>>> now you're pretty much on your own.  I'll be happy to answer any
>>>> questions regarding setup, but don't have any plans yet for
>>>> installation scripts, packaging, etc.
>>>>
>>>> By the way, DMD is the only supported compiler at the moment.  I'll
>>>> add support for the others later if the project actually takes off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>
>>> What has been done to coordinate with Walter and/or the Phobos
>>> development team? Does the license match Walter's requirement? Are
>>> there any known reasons why D2 would not want to adopt this runtime?
>>
>> D2 will in all likelihood adopt Sean's runtime. We only need to put in 
>> the adaptation work. I think Sean has done a tremendous contribution 
>> to the community.
> 
> Any thoughts on using druntime in D1?

Walter needs to answer about D1.

Andrei