Brief report about the Tango Conference 2008 in Torun

[Jason House]

Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:

> Jason House wrote:
> > Sean Kelly Wrote:
> > 
> >> Alexander Pánek wrote:
> >>> Sean Kelly wrote:
> >>>> Alexander Panek wrote:
> >>>>> bearophile wrote:
> >>>>>> From:
> >>>>>>> regarding a common runtime for Phobos and Tango,<
> >>>>>> Can you give a little summary of this?
> >>>>> Well, there’s a project on dsource (druntime: 
> >>>>> http://dsource.org/projects/druntime) which is supposed to
> >>>>> hold that common runtime.
> >>>> I just thought I'd mention that if anyone wants to play with 
> >>>> this, the runtime is fully functional and there are versions 
> >>>> available for both D 1.0 and D 2.0 (in a branch and trunk, 
> >>>> respectively).  Assuming everything works out however, I expect
> >>>> that only Phobos for D 2.0 will actually use the common
> >>>> runtime, since D 1.0 is in maintenance mode now.
> >>> Ah, good to know. What are the differences between druntime and
> >>> Tango’s runtime? What about the features Tango has but Phobos
> >>> doesn’t?
> >> The location of things have changed and certain bits have been
> >> tightened up a bit compared to Tango, but the functionality should
> >> be identical to Tango's runtime.  With that in mind, if you want to
> >> try it out, build druntime and replace tango-base-dmd.lib with
> >> druntime-dmd.lib, get rid of the .di files in tango/core that are
> >> generated by the lib build process, and use the top-level memory,
> >> thread, etc, modules in their place.
> >> 
> >> The project is really just a proof of concept at this point.  I've
> >> got a version of Phobos for D 2.0 working on top of druntime with
> >> no problems, for example, but there is no official support yet for
> >> druntime from Phobos or Tango.
> >> 
> >> In short, druntime works just fine, but to actually use it right
> >> now you're pretty much on your own.  I'll be happy to answer any
> >> questions regarding setup, but don't have any plans yet for
> >> installation scripts, packaging, etc.
> >> 
> >> By the way, DMD is the only supported compiler at the moment.  I'll
> >> add support for the others later if the project actually takes off.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sean
> > 
> > What has been done to coordinate with Walter and/or the Phobos
> > development team? Does the license match Walter's requirement? Are
> > there any known reasons why D2 would not want to adopt this runtime?
> 
> D2 will in all likelihood adopt Sean's runtime. We only need to put in 
> the adaptation work. I think Sean has done a tremendous contribution to 
> the community.
> 
> Andrei

I'm really pushing my luck now, but is there any timeline for finalizing D2's evaluation/adoption of druntime? My understanding from Sean's post is that he's already adapted Phobos to use the shared runtime. It sounds like it'd be really easy to drop in.