OT: Flash and Javascript (Was: Taunting)

[Alexander Pánek]

grauzone wrote:
> Alexander Pánek wrote:
>> grauzone wrote:
>>> Alexander Pánek wrote:
>>>> grauzone wrote:
>>>>>> browsers. What's the big deal everyone have with Javascript?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's unnecessary, annoying, slower, and adds security holes.
>>>>>
>>>>> When using Firefox, I usually use NoScript to block all scripts by 
>>>>> default. Sometimes, some minor things don't work, and I have to 
>>>>> enable JS. Now it's really rare to see functionality that couldn't 
>>>>> be provided without JS. Rather, web designers seem to be really 
>>>>> dumb and do stuff like replacing real links by script functions. As 
>>>>> a prime example take YouTube. It's like YouTube doesn't believe in 
>>>>> a life without AJAX! The simplest things don't work anymore. What for?
>>>>>
>>>>> About AJAX, you know it breaks the back button and all other sorts 
>>>>> of practical things you are used from normal web browsing. And 
>>>>> occasionally, they use it for animations. Animations what for? They 
>>>>> only introduce artificial GUI latency. (You know, Win 3.11 feels 
>>>>> faster.) A related example for annoying AJAX things are those 
>>>>> "applet" like boxes, that contain a "loading" gif, and apparently 
>>>>> loads a HTML subtree using AJAX.
>>>>>
>>>>> For completely over-engineered AJAX waste look at the Tango docs on 
>>>>> dsource. I mean, it emulates frames, and the end result is worse 
>>>>> than with good old frames! Ah yes, we all know frames are 
>>>>> "outdated", but AJAX is hip and new! Let's emulate frames, because 
>>>>> we feel it's too slow to reload the whole page again! (Now now, I 
>>>>> wonder if the Tango docs even require a webserver. Maybe that's the 
>>>>> reason why there's no downloadable documentation? But maybe I'm 
>>>>> blaming the wrong thing here.)
>>>>>
>>>>> They told use not to use <blink> or <marquee>? OK, we'll just use JS!
>>>>>
>>>>> Among the best uses of JS I've seen are snow flakes moved by a script.
>>>>>
>>>>> /rant (I feel better now.)
>>>>
>>>> Look mah, JS and Flash combined in shiny modal windows:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/05/27/modal-windows-in-modern-web-design/ 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, I really don’t want to torture you. Well, maybe a little. :P
>>>
>>> Oh god... why...
>>
>> *snip*
>>
>> “The modal window has many advantages. For example, when a modal 
>> window contains a smaller element, the user doesn’t need to load an 
>> entirely new page just to access it (another way to achieve the same 
>> effect is e.g. by using AJAX-based tabs). By providing modal windows, 
>> you improve the usability of your website. Having to load pages over 
>> and over will annoy most users, so avoiding that is definitely a good 
>> thing. Modal windows also allow you to save space by getting rid of 
>> large elements that don’t need to be on the main page. For example, 
>> rather than putting a full video on a page, you can just provide a 
>> link, thumbnail or button of some sort.”
> 
> Yeah, I read that. I want to smash him to pieces.

Why? I don’t get it. Why is there so much hate and anger about it in the 
air? Srsly, this whole topic is just completely overrated. It’s just the 
internet. ffs man.