New home page

Stephan Soller stephan.soller at helionweb.de
Mon Oct 11 00:53:19 PDT 2010


On 10.10.2010 22:42, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
> "Stephan Soller"<stephan.soller at helionweb.de>  wrote in message
> news:i8sh5u$2ijp$1 at digitalmars.com...
>> On 07.10.2010 23:59, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>> "Stephan Soller"<stephan.soller at helionweb.de>   wrote in message
>>> news:i8kmuc$15t$1 at digitalmars.com...
>>>> On 07.10.2010 14:56, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
>>>>> "Stephan Soller"<stephan.soller at helionweb.de>    wrote in message
>>>>> news:i8k8k9$230n$1 at digitalmars.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]: http://arkanis.de/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to complain, just FYI, this is what that page looks like for me:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis1.png
>>>>> http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis2.png
>>>>> http://www.semitwist.com/download/arkanis3.png
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, if I turn JS on, than it'll look a lot better *until* it
>>>>> finishes loading, at which point it goes back to looking just like
>>>>> those
>>>>> screenshots.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the screenshots. May I ask which version of Firefox (if I see
>>>> that correctly) your're using
>>>
>>> v2.0.0.20
>>>
>>> Which actually kinda surprises me because I could have sworn I was on a
>>> much
>>> later version of the 2.x line. I *know* there was a period where it kept
>>> updating itself seemingly all the time (which got quite irritating when I
>>> just wanted to go to a particular URL). But I guess that must have been
>>> the
>>> only 2.x version I was able to find after giving up on FF3. And IIRC, the
>>> built-in update won't let me update to anything less than FF3.
>>>
>>> And yea, I know FF2 is really old, but I tried 3.0 and 3.5 and the JS was
>>> only marginally faster, it doesn't seem to fix any of the rendering bugs
>>> I've come across in FF2 (I have 3.5 on my Linux box, just for site
>>> testing),
>>> and every other change they made I hated and downloaded extentions to
>>> undo...until I realized there was no extention to un-unify the unified
>>> forward/back buttons (which I had thought was a good idea when IE7 came
>>> out -- until I actually used IE7), and realized the only winestripe-like
>>> things for FF3 weren't nearly as good as the real winestripe. So I
>>> figured
>>> "Why bog it down with even *more* addons just to turn it into a
>>> half-baked
>>> FF2, when I can just use the real FF2?" YouTube bitches to me about it,
>>> but
>>> well, fuck YouTube; never liked having over-compressed videos
>>> pre-embedded
>>> into a web-based player anyway.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe you should consider looking into some other browsers? Opera, Chrome
>> and other Gecko based browsers might give you a better experience that the
>> newer Firefox versions. This is the reason why there are different
>> browsers after all.
>>
>
> - Safari is ruled out because it's a blurry mess (all for the sake of making
> it look more like the printed version? WTF?) and forces useless background
> processes, has zero respect for my system's look-and-feel, and has no
> "Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or "BetterPrivacy" (Three FF add-ons that
> provide functionality that, for me, are absolutely 100% essential).
>
> - IE7+ is out because it has no "Adblock Plus", "NoScript", or
> "BetterPrivacy", and I don't like the unified forward/back buttons.
>
> - Iron is out because I *hate* absolutely everything about it's UI, and it
> doesn't have "NoScript" (I've heard it has "AdBlock Plus", but I didn't see
> it when I first looked so I don't know). Also, configurability seems to be
> practically non-existent compared to FF.
>
> - Chrome is out because of all the reasons for which Iron was created in the
> first place. I won't even allow Chrome (or Safari) on my computer at all.
>
> - Opera is ruled out because it costs money and every time I tried the demos
> it seemed to combine the worst aspects of all the other browsers, plus had
> by far the most rendering problems.
>
> - And everything else like IE6-, Netscape, WebTV, Lynx, etc are all ruled
> out for obvious reasons.
>

Adblock Plus, NoScript and BetterPrivacy are a combination that's hard 
to find in other browsers. I suppose you have to do some manual 
configuration to get that done.

Many browsers today "compress" the UI in order to free more horizontal 
space for the websites. There is an ongoing development towards wider 
displays that shrink in height and the new browser UIs are a logical 
counter development to that. In Opera however it's just the default 
configuration and with a few clicks you can bring every toolbar back 
(and add or remove buttons, etc.). Never found a way to revert that in 
Firefox or Chrome but I haven't searched every "about:config" option.

Regarding configuration Opera is on pair with Firefox if not even more 
flexible, therefore they don't have extensions.

Opera giving the most rendering bugs is actually a funny story. They had 
the most advanced "quirks mode" (IE 5 compatibility mode). It changed 
quite a bit in the rendering of websites and was very close to IE 5 (I 
really doubt they had fun programming this). However many developers 
didn't know how to trigger standard compliant mode back then (these 
strange DTDs...) and forced Opera (and IE 6 and Firefox) into quirks 
mode. But since Firefox looked more or less the same in quirks mode 
people of course regarded the Opera and IE rendering as bugs.

ps.: Opera is free since over 5 years, so you might want to take a look 
since much has changed since then.

Happy programming
Stephan


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