DConf 2013 Day 3 Talk 1: Metaprogramming in the Real World by Don Clugston

[Regan Heath]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:12:31 +0100, Don <turnyourkidsintocash at nospam.com>  
wrote:

> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 16:35:08 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:32:03 +0100, Colin Grogan  
>> <grogan.colin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 10:48:52 UTC, Regan Heath wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:31:03 +0100, Don  
>>>> <turnyourkidsintocash at nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 13 June 2013 at 06:58:22 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>>>>> On 2013-06-11 14:33, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>>>>> Reddit:
>>>>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1g47df/dconf_2013_metaprogramming_in_the_real_world_by/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hackernews: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861237
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter:  
>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/D_Programming/status/344431490257526785
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dlang.org/posts/655271701153181
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Youtube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmwKRYrfEyY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please drive discussions on the social channels, they help D a lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't understand the problem with IDE. He mentions that  
>>>>>> he's not interested in any autocompletion, refactoring or anything  
>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually not. I'm just opposed to any work on them right now. The  
>>>>> point is that all of those things are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS if the  
>>>>> IDE crashes. It's not just "a bug". It's an absolute showstopper,  
>>>>> and I'm begging the community to do something about it.
>>>>> Fix the crashes, and then we can talk.
>>>>
>>>> I use Notepad++ now and have used TextPad in the past.  But, those  
>>>> are just text editors with syntax highlighting (fairly flexibly and  
>>>> simply customisable highlighting BTW).
>>>>
>>>> What are the basic features you would require of a development  
>>>> environment, I am thinking of features which go beyond the basic  
>>>> concept of a text editor, such as:
>>>>
>>>> - The concept of a 'project' or some other collection of source files  
>>>> which can be loaded/displayed in some fashion to make it easier to  
>>>> find/select/edit individual files
>>>>
>>>> - The ability to hook in 'tools' to key presses like "compile"  
>>>> executing "dmd ..." or similar.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>
>>> How about a GUI front end to vibe-d's dub?
>>>
>>> I use that extensively on command line and find it very good, I  
>>> imagine it would be easy enough write a GUI for it...
>>
>> Or, a plugin for an existing editor.
>> Or, a 'tool' configured in an existing editor to run dub in a certain  
>> way.
>>
>> All good ideas.
>>
>> What I'm driving at here is trying to find Don's minimal requirements  
>> beyond stability,
>
> Must not be worse than Notepad. <g>
> I don't have any requirements. I *only* care about stability at this  
> point.

Ok.. but that doesn't give ppl anything to aim for as a starting point..

> I'm not personally looking for an IDE. I'm more a command line guy.

So you write all your code using "copy con"?  :p  So, you use vi?

> D has fifty people contributing to the compiler, but only two or three  
> working on IDEs. We need a couple more.
> And that's really all I'm saying.

Valid point, but to get more people interested I think we need a concrete  
goal and/or a list of faults with the existing competition.

R

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