Beta 2.079.0

[psychoticRabbit]

On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 00:05:59 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote:
>
> Unfortunately it's a bit hard to find arguments in the 
> discussion below, would have been cool if there were a few well 
> argumented comments instead dozens of +1s.

Go back and read all of this thread, properly.


> - this grammar is ambiguous

Isn't that an argument?

>
>   It has always been in various ways and that's annoying to 
> learn when you first deal with D. Personally I find it even 
> more annoying that you can mix imports and selective imports, 
> but only in a very specific exception.
>
> - why not X instead

Aren't alternative ideas welcome?


>   Go for it and try to find a consensus. I don't think the 
> issue is big enough to warrant a huge design and bikeshedding 
> discussion.
>

Some don't agree with you.

>
>   That's your opinion, my opinion is that importing 6 symbols 
> from 6 different modules for a tiny cli tool sucks and bloats 
> code example.


That's your opinion.


>
>   Indeed an alternative with a similar goal, reducing the 
> amount of typing/noise for hacking.

You seem overly eager to save some typing, and the expense of 
comprehension.
I don't get it. That's what bring programming languages into 
disrepute.

>
> - why hasn't this been a DIP
>
>   Because it looked primarily like a minor grammar 
> rectification that doesn't break anything and is entirely 
> optional.

Go back are read the 'arguments' are but 'optional' aspect.

>   Also DIPs are a crucial process for our language, and it 
> seems problematic to clog it with trivialities.

This doesn't seem that trivial based on the discussion.


> ----
>
> On the other side please note that:
>
> - you don't have to use it
> - it will unlikely land in phobos' style-guide
> - it's useful for talks, posts, code puzzles or on a repl where 
> code is size constrained
> - there is no ambiguity or chance for bugs
> - practical examples of this usage are hardly confusing
>
>   import std.stdio : writeln, std.algorithm : find;

Seriously? You came up with the simplest example to demonstrate 
you're argument?


> - remember that some people use `import mod1, mod2, mod3, 
> mod4;` at least sometimes while others
>   prefer each import on it's own line
> - imports are mostly for tooling, less for humans

That's your opinion. I happen to think that imports help people 
discover where stuff resides. I've learnt a lot from looking at 
imports used.


>   - many java editors collapse the import manifest at the top
>   - a lot of languages have an import std.* operator or 
> auto-imports

That's why nobody know where anything is in the their library.


> And last but not least, the simpler the topic the more 
> opinions, so please refrain from "I don't like it, +1" and 
> leave space for actual arguments.

Again, go back and read this thread properly, and don't be so 
dismissive of the concerns people have expressed.