Vision document for H1 2018

[Timothee Cour]

IMO this should be the priority:

1. blockers (things that can't be worked around at all or not without
jumping through a lot of hoops)
2. everything else

dmd still doesn't support shared libraries on OSX (cf
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12190)

That prevents a whole category of use cases (eg D plugins called from
C++ or from D)





On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 8:06 PM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) via
Digitalmars-d-announce <digitalmars-d-announce at puremagic.com> wrote:
> On 03/10/2018 05:47 AM, Dylan Graham wrote:
>>
>> On Saturday, 10 March 2018 at 10:05:49 UTC, rumbu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> According to the State of D Survey, 71% of the respondents don't care
>>> about betterC. Why is betterC on the priority list?
>>
>>
>> Yeah. Why should D worry about tying itself into C when it can't even
>> interface with itself through DLLs?
>
>
> First of all, betterC is about far more than interfacing with C. In fact,
> interop with C isn't really what betterC is about at all - that's a separate
> aspect of the language. (And those C/C++ users who still haven't come to D -
> for many of them the holdout is *because* of the issues betterC aims to
> address. Make no mistake, for all the stockholm syndrome in the C and C++
> worlds, there *are* a lot people openly wanting to jump ship but don't have
> a sufficient option yet. Heck, *I'm* a C/C++ -> D convert.)
>
> But more importantly:
>
> The D language itself is specifically designed and intended to be
> multi-purpose. Because of that, D users (and potential D users) are *highly*
> diverse. Everybody here has their own use-cases, their own needs and
> priorities, and their own list of things they want fixed yesterday.
>
> In a group this diverse, there just simply *isn't* much on the D wishlist
> that's crucially important to a *majority*, because we all need completely
> different things.
>
> Personally, better DLL support have little to no impact on me. Obviously it
> does for you, and I sympathise. Some of the things most important to me for
> D to improve you probably wouldn't care one bit about - and that's ok. We
> work on different sorts of things.
>
> Improved betterC is something I would find very nice if I ever have time or
> opportunity to get back into embedded software. But outside of that, yea, it
> doesn't impact me much more than it does for you.
>
> But here's the rub: In this crowd here, probably far more than most
> languages, we all have such wildly varying needs that 29% *is* what
> qualifies as significant around here. Most wishlist items are going to have
> similarly non-majority numbers. And they have to pick *something* to focus
> on. Luckily, as the vision document clearly states, there are *several* such
> "somethings" the dlang foundation is committing to working on.