Design Patterns == weakness in language

[David Medlock]

Steve Horne wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 09:29:38 +0200, renox <renosky at free.fr> wrote:
> 
> 
>>The claim is that "16 of 23 patterns have qualitatively simpler 
>>implementation in Lisp or Dylan than in C++ for at least some uses of 
>>each pattern" which is a very different that claiming that design 
>>patterns are unnecessary.
> 
> 
> 23 patterns?
> 
> The GOF book has precisely 23 patterns. So presumably, the logic is
> that this set of patterns is definitive and they are the only patterns
> that exist...
> 
> We must bow down to the most holy gods of GOF!
> 
> We are not worthy!
> We are not worthy!
> 
> I haven't laughed so much in ages!
> 

Well since the GOF book is the most popular book on patterns, Norvig 
attempted to emulate functionality in THOSE patterns.  You are laughing 
at your own inferences.

 > So Lisp makes some Java patterns look a bit daft. So what? Lisp and
 > scheme and such have their own patterns and, shock horror, many of
 > them make no sense in Java or C++.

Where did anyone post that they didn't?  The point (since you missed it) 
is that D is a successor to C++ and the OP was lamenting missing some of 
those patterns in D.

 > Personally, though, I think David and his references just don't know
 > what a design pattern is.

Spoken like a true priest of the OOP church.  I have been programming 
long enough and in enough paradigms to say I don't need your stamp of 
approval, especially for posting what I thought was an interesting link 
to the discussion at hand.

Its amazing how I post a simple link to some slides on Norvig's site and 
the OOP zealots come out of the woodwork.

 > Now - if I went over to a Lisp newsgroup and said "so, this Lotsof
 > Infuriatingly Stupid Parentheses language of yours, I reckon its a
 > load of crap. Here are my badly thought out reasons." then that would
 > be me being a prat.

I doubt you even know why the parentheses even exist in Scheme or Lisp.

I don't know what a 'prat' is but what you have posted is definitely 
prattle.  I think jumping all over me over a simple weblink is juvenile 
at best.

I'm done.