Stroustrup's talk on C++0x

[Bruno Medeiros]

James Dennett wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>> It actually has to be finished by year end 2008, and they have
>>> committed to getting the standard done on time even if it means
>>> dropping features.  In fact, last I heard, a few features were indeed
>>> being dropped for lack of time, but I can't recall what they were.  I
>>> haven't been keeping that close an eye on the C++ standardization
>>> process recently, aside from the new memory model and atomic features.
>> C++0x started out with the stated purpose of just a few core language
>> tweaks, and a bunch of new libraries. Sometime in the last couple of
>> years, that was abandoned wholesale and a big raft of complex new
>> features were proposed.
>>
>> I think it's the success of D that lit the fire.
> 
> Most of these features have been in development for years;
> it's desires to improve C++ that have lit these fires, just
> as your urge to create D was based on other ideas about how
> to improve on C++98.  For many involved in language design,
> it's language features that are more tempting than new
> library functionality.
> 
> I don't see much in C++0x that has much claim to being
> inspired by D.  I look forward to type deduction with
> auto, but that dates from the 80's.  Concepts will be
> great, but those have most overlap with Haskell's
> typeclasses, not mirrored in D.  The new for syntax
> reflects many languages (D, Perl, Java, sh, others)
> in some ways.  GC for C++ predates D.  The smart
> pointers have no counterpart in D, yet.
> 
> D has cool metaprogramming facilities, and does some
> other things nicely, but C++ faces more competition
> at this time from C, C# and Java than it does from D.
> 
> It would, however, seem reasonable for C++ to pick up
> on good features of D, when they are a match for C++,
> just as C# and Java have borrowed features back and
> forth.
> 
> -- James

I think Walter wasn't saying that C++0x features were inspired or based 
on D, just that D speed up the adoption of those features.


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Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
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