Humble request at Walter: Could you _please_ fix phobos already?

[Tristam MacDonald]

There should be a groundswell!
How can a language be ready for prime time when there are 2 competing and non-compatible std libraries? Especially when the official one is broken and the community one doesn't having full support from the compiler implementor (synchronized support for other mutex implementations, etc.)?

Steve Teale Wrote:
> Clay Smith Wrote:
> 
> > downs wrote:
> > > I don't like Tango. Going by looks and usability alone, I'd far prefer 
> > > to use Phobos. However, sometimes I run into trouble with Phobos, like 
> > > sockets being broken in interesting ways, the connect function not being 
> > > synchronized, lack of templates in std.string .. I'm sure many of you 
> > > have had similar experiences.
> > > Those are not unbelievably complex and hard issues (like, for example, 
> > > Macros) but mostly rather trivial things that could be fixed with a few 
> > > lines of code.
> > > So I really have to ask - why are these issues not being fixed? Why is 
> > > it that in a post-1.0 project, which should be largely bug-free and 
> > > feature complete, I still have to debug the _standard library_?
> > > When writing code, there are a few basic assumptions that you have to 
> > > make for the sake of efficiency, like what your tools are telling you is 
> > > correct. That the standard library works as advertised is one of those 
> > > assumptions. Why is it, that in a post-1.0 project, important parts of 
> > > the GC, like generationalCollect, even though they are explicitly 
> > > mentioned in the documentation, remain unimplemented?
> > > I really like D, and I also like Phobos. I think it would be sad if 
> > > people who don't even particularly _like_ Tango would be pushed towards 
> > > using it by problems that could have been solved.
> > >  --downs
> > > 
> > > PS: In a similar vein, some people have observed that longstanding bugs 
> > > seem to be getting less attention these days. Perhaps it would be .. 
> > > wise, before going off and adding new features which in turn introduce 
> > > new bugs, to fix the old ones first?
> > 
> > I'd rather have Walter work on compiler bugs than standard library issues.
> > 
> > I think the best solution would be for Walter to put phobos in an SVN 
> > and give 1 or 2 trusted D community members commit access so they can 
> > merge user patches etc. while Walter simply concentrates on the compiler.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> This is to some extent a return to the previous thread - Two standard libraries - which has now mutated into something completely different
> 
> I believe there is a groundswell in this direction, including making the two libraries compatible.  It may get attention at the conference, but that is no reason why those of us who feel this way should not continue to make a noise about it.  The time is right!
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