My may purpose here isn't to discuss that language X is better than Y, but to show (like renoX) that that quote isn't very accurate. Jan Claeys: >By the way, got a link to the upcasting thread?< I hope this is in-topic: http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.D&article_id=57087 Bye, bearophile