Eclipse startup time (Was: questions on PhanTango 'merger' (was Merging Tangobos into Tango)

[Kris]

fwiw I agree with Bruno O_o

:)

"Bruno Medeiros" <brunodomedeiros+spam at com.gmail> wrote in message 
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> Don Clugston wrote:
>>
>> Like I said, it wasn't a flame, and in this post I was not particularly 
>> seeking to improve the startup time on my system. I'm simply astonished 
>> that a programming community (the Eclipse developers) obviously does not 
>> care about performance issues _at all_. I had no intuition about what 
>> initialization you could do that would take such a long time.
>>
>
> I don't get this fixation people have with startup time. :/
>
> That Eclipse developers do not care about Eclipse performance is simply 
> not true. They merely don't care much about startup performance, and the 
> reason is simple: Eclipse, just as Java, is made for medium and large 
> sized software development. It's not made for writing Hello World's. Int 
> this scenario, a developer works 4 to 8 hours a day (or more), and how 
> many times does he start Eclipse per day? Once or twice (in some cases 
> even less, like my own case since I have my PC open 24h a day and 
> sometimes I don't close Eclipse).
> Given this, how does the 4-8 hours of *runtime* (ie., after load) 
> performance, or the runtime features compare in importance to the 1 or 2 
> loads done during the day? They don't compare at all! Startup time is 
> simply a *whole* degree of magnitude less important than IDE features or 
> runtime performance.
> And Eclipse's runtime performance (at least of JDT) is actually pretty 
> good. *And* scalable. In my old PC, an Ahtlon XP 2500 with 1Gb RAM, I was 
> able to work with JDT all day long and never (or rarely) notice any 
> slowdowns (startup was 10-15 seconds BTW). On contrast, at that time with 
> that PC I also did some C# GUI development, with VS Studio 2005. It loaded 
> pretty fast (1-2 seconds), but often there were small pauses (3-4 seconds) 
> when working with the VS's form editors. (which one you think bothered me 
> the most...)
>
> Also, out of curiosity (since you said you weren't planning on improving 
> runtime performance), how much RAM does that laptop have? RAM is the most 
> important spec for Eclipse startup performance (and runtime performance 
> too).
>
> -- 
> Bruno Medeiros - MSc in CS/E student
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