The Death of D. (Was Tango vs Phobos)

[Sean Kelly]

Vincent Richomme wrote:
> Yigal Chripun a écrit :
>> Sean Kelly wrote:
>>  > I'd prefer being able to choose the GC I want without needing the
>>> compiler vendor to supply it.  Otherwise, the compiler vendor either
>>> needs to know how to write a GC (unlikely) or they need to bundle a
>>> third-party GC.  Also, different applications have different memory
>>> requirements.  Tango allows the GC to be chosen at link-time, which
>>> allows for a great deal of flexibility. 
>>
>> If we compare to Java than Sun provides more than one GC with its
>> runtime and you can get even more specialized version GC if you really
>> need it (real-time for example). I guess there's nothing wrong in
>> getting a third party GC either.
>> The point is that in Java those GCs are chosen by the runtime (you can
>> specify if you run your app as a server or a client app and based on
>> that the GC is chosen) or you can specify explicitly your GC too, I
>> guess. Non of that should affect your code (unless you choose to use
>> specific extensions to the GC API provided but a specialized GC).
>> So, the choice of a GC doesn't affect your code.
>>
>>>> The benefit is that the vendors will compete for runtime performance
>>>> which is good for the end user. I can choose vendor A's GC since it is
>>>> more efficient with regards to memory (if I care for that) or vendor 
>>>> B's
>>>> GC if it's faster, etc..
>>> Better to choose the GC separately from the compiler, then, so you can
>>> use the best of breed of each.
>>>
>>>> All I care is that everything that is visible to the end user is
>>>> standardized - i.e. I can do GC.collect() in my code since it's in the
>>>> APIs and don't care if I use llvmdc, dil, dmd, gdc, etc.. ( I'll care
>>>> for performance reasons and such of course and for that I can just
>>>> switch to a different vendor without any code changes)
>>> This is a standard library issue not a compiler runtime or GC issue.
>>
>> it is an issue with the compiler runtime/GC if there isn't a standard
>> API and when I change my GC/runtime I need to edit the source.
> 
> What I would like to know now:  is there any progress between this Tango 
> vs Phobos discussion...
> I still don't know if I can rely on Tango for my dev or on phobos and I 
> think I am not the only one.

Yes.


Sean