Unofficial wish list status.(Jul 2008)

[superdan]

Sean Kelly Wrote:

> == Quote from bearophile (bearophileHUGS at lycos.co)'s article
> > 4tuu4k002 at sneakemail.com:
> > > This is the monthly status for the unofficial d wish list:
> > ...
> > It's curious to see that many or most of the top desired things don't seem among the list of the next things
> planned as improvements/changes for the D/DMD. I don't know what this means. Are people asking for
> unimportant things? Are the D designers smarter? Are the two groups ignoring each other?
> 
> For better or worse, I don't personally feel that the D designers listen to the D community
> at all.  Certainly not since D 2.0 was started at any rate.  Or perhaps it's just that my goals
> with D simply diverged beginning with 2.0.

wut the heck is ur problem sean, u were the only sane guy left at tango. now u r coming with badmouthing n shit. recently u were like "walter is trying 2 lure people to d2. if that happens, i'm out." where the fuck did that conspiracy theory come from. walter never did anything to put his integrity into question.

now wuts with this walter doesn't listen shit. whining baby. i'm sayin': walter does listen and does do great shit, the only problem is that most of us don't know what we're talking about and can't remember what we want from 1 moment 2 the next. look at that list. it's a pile of shit with the most prefuckingposterous requests in the fucking history of fucking programming languages. look at vectorization. who the fuck came with that sick idea. hell, std.algorithm does that shit better and nicer and didn't need language changes. the list is a joke. it's not even maintained, d has had tuples for months now. somehow we want progress, n new shit n all but no we want it in d1 backward compatible and with only two extra pieces of shit that vary from 1 person 2 the next and from 1 minute 2 the next. shit.

if walter were 2 implement all the shitty "features" in the motherfucking list the language would become a fucking pile of dung the size of fucking china. what the fuck. walter is cranking great shit like it's goin' outta style and we throw a fit because we didn't think of it first. we only thought of shitty misfeatures like short syntax for new. now what was that mofo's problem. shit.

> > When I think about such matters I remember a quote, usually attributed to Henry Ford: "If I'd asked people what
> they wanted, they would have said a faster horse."
> > So maybe D programmers want faster horses, while D developers are inventing/providing cars :-) I don't know.
> 
> It's an interesting question, and one I've been mulling over for a few years now.  My
> understanding is that C++ was created as a very community-driven effort right from the
> start while D was designed based very much on what Walter thought would be good in a
> language.  As a result, C++ ended up bogged down with a lot of legacy C baggage that the
> community insisted was necessary for them to adopt C++, while D could change tracks on
> the designer's whim and no one could say otherwise.  Generally, I think the D approach works
> far better so long as the designer's goals match the interests of the community, but it's a
> pretty risky path to follow since the designer is basically betting the farm on the hope that the
> community will agree with his vision.  In the past I've been pretty free with my opinions about
> language features and I do this because I don't want to feel that I didn't try to make myself
> heard if I ever give up on D.  At least then I can feel that I did my best to communicate to the
> designers what's important to me as a user of the language.

u r wrong. bjarne has had control of language long time b4 it became successful. it's his vision 4 better or worse. u r looking at the success years of c++ when committees and crap came all over. don't panic when d will be successful with muggles there will be a committee over it like a cheap suit.

so wut is that stuff u want in d. u haven't even tried d2 so it loox like u r interested more in bitchin' than in making real suggestions. now seriously. speak up. what is it that u as a member of the community wanna say and walter doesn't listen.