yank unary '+'?
Don
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Sun Dec 6 21:25:35 PST 2009
Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> Walter Bright wrote:
>> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>> Walter Bright wrote:
>>>> Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>>> Is there any good use of unary +? As an aside, Perl programs do use
>>>>> it occasionally for syntactic disambiguation :o).
>>>>
>>>> An internet search reveals:
>>>>
>>>> 1. symmetry
>>>>
>>>> 2. compatibility with C and many other languages that use it
>>>>
>>>> 3. used with operator overloading to convert a user defined type to
>>>> its preferred arithmetic representation (a cast can't know what the
>>>> 'preferred' type is)
>>>>
>>>> 4. to create DSL languages, like Spirit, as Kenny points out
>>>>
>>>> 5. to coerce default integral promotion rules (again, cast(int)
>>>> won't always produce the same result)
>>>>
>>>> 6. to visually emphasize that a literal is positive
>>>>
>>>> I say leave it in.
>>>
>>> I am completely underwhelmed by 1-6 and have strong arguments against
>>> each, but "frankly, my dear" I have bigger problems than that. I have
>>> exactly zero valid reasons I could mention in TDPL, and that's my
>>> litmus test. I find the operator utterly useless. If '+' stays in,
>>> then call it horsetrading but the occasionally useful '^^=' must also
>>> be in.
>>
>> Think of it like the "bool" operator overload. bool gives a direct way
>> for user defined times to be tested for if statements, etc.
>
> If I think of it that way, that doesn't look too good. The bool operator
> overload has been an unqualified and admitted failure for C++. The hacks
> used to avoid that failure are very ingenious; none was within the realm
> of what the language had planned or intended.
>
>> Similarly, U+ gives a direct way for user defined types to be
>> converted to their most desired arithmetic type.
>
> Code that uses +a to convert a to another type? I'd consider that worse
> than a hack and worse than incompetent - it's downright malicious.
>
> Andrei
And if Andrei has never heard of it, we can be pretty sure that very few
programmmers would understand code that uses it.
It's really looking as though U+ is only for literals and for operator
abuse.
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