dmd support for IDEs

[Ary Borenszweig]

Jeremie Pelletier wrote:
> Denis Koroskin wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:18:41 +0400, Jeremie Pelletier 
>> <jeremiep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yigal Chripun wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/2009 07:33, Jeremie Pelletier wrote:
>>>>> Jérôme M. Berger wrote:
>>>>>> Jeremie Pelletier wrote:
>>>>>>> I agree however that GTK being in C is rather annoying, C is a great
>>>>>>> language but GUIs is one area where OOP really shines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that Gtk *is* object oriented despite being in C...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerome
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a sorry hack, you have to use casts everywhere you'd rely on
>>>>> polymorphism in D or C+ and its harder to remember, read, code,
>>>>> maintain, and doesn't have any performance gains over C++, the 
>>>>> explicit
>>>>> struct pointer in C is the implicit 'this' in C++ and non-virtual
>>>>> methods can be optimized as direct calls with no vtbl indirections.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried gtkD and I don't like using an OOP layer on top of a C 
>>>>> interface
>>>>> because that adds overhead for the exact same features, most good GUI
>>>>> libraries should abstract the platform anyways so GTK is usually only
>>>>> seen there and not in user code.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's still more fun to use than the Windows' windowing API, which
>>>>> doesn't even support layout objects such as boxes and grids, now 
>>>>> that's
>>>>> total pain!
>>>>  what about MS' WPF? It has all the bells and whistles of modern UI, 
>>>> doesn't it?
>>>
>>> Isn't that just a pretty layer on top of win32/com? I now only use 
>>> native toolkits as backends for my gui abstraction layer, using this 
>>> would only add a level of indirection and make no sense.
>>
>> No, IIRC, it doesn't rely on Win32 API at all:
>>
>> Wikipedia quote:
>>> Designed to remove dependencies on the aging GDI subsystem, WPF is 
>>> built on DirectX, which provides hardware acceleration and enables 
>>> modern UI features like transparency, gradients and transforms.
> 
> Oh, I need to look into that!

Yeah, we made a game in WPF in the company I work for, using bindings 
(*the* feature of WPF): it was sluggish. From the start I recommended 
doing it in a lower-level language (I recommended D!) but no one 
listened to me. It runs pretty slow with an amazing computer. I don't 
like WPF (nor Siliveright). :-P