The Next Big Language

[Emil Madsen]

Nahh, its just him, he apparently likes you the most (^ . ^)
(jk)

On 19 October 2010 21:53, Andrei Alexandrescu <SeeWebsiteForEmail at erdani.org
> wrote:

> On 10/19/10 14:04 CDT, Max Samukha wrote:
>
>> On 10/19/2010 09:06 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>>
>>> bearophile wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point I was trying to express is that from what I have seen people
>>>> are
>>>> able to learn to program Python (this means quite more than just the
>>>> syntax)
>>>> in *much* less time it takes to learn C++/D. And this has precise
>>>> causes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Time will tell how long it will take people to become idiomatically
>>> proficient in D. But also consider that Andrei's book "Modern C++
>>> Design" completely changed the idiomatic way people wrote C++ programs.
>>> A 1990's state of the art C++ program is very different from a 2010 one.
>>>
>>> We've only just begun figuring out the right way to write D programs.
>>>
>>
>> That is funny. Now and then you and Andrei talk so confidently about Go,
>> C#, Haskell and other D competitors, without having written more than a
>> couple of lines in those languages. At the same time, you are claiming
>> that it takes years to even start to learn a programming language. Sure,
>> it is not problems with D that make it difficult to use. We simply don't
>> know how to program in D yet, after several years of doing just that.
>>
>
> I agree this seems to be a contradiction. Haskell is a fairly mature
> language building on a staunch pure functional base so many of its idioms
> have been established. C# uses rather conservative features so it's not
> difficult to learn from the perspective of the languages that influence it.
> Go is a small language that has one defining feature (the implicit signature
> conformance) that does add a certain flavor but is understood and has been
> experimented with in other languages.
>
> D has added a lot in the direction of generics, and by their nature
> generics interact heavily with the rest of the language. I agree it is
> taking time to get to best use of such, but it's not wasted time because it
> marks real progress. For example, code using the relatively new template
> constraints is better than code that didn't use them.
>
>
>  With all due respect for Andrei, I doubt that it is his book that
>> completely changed the way people wrote C++ programs. It was
>> influential, right, but it was really not a single factor. And some of
>> ideas presented in that book are avoided by reasonable programmers.
>>
>> Please stop so shamelessly advertising each other. Thanks!
>>
>
> Sorry. Do I advertise Walter that frequently?
>
>
> Andrei
>



-- 
// Yours sincerely
// Emil 'Skeen' Madsen
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