[GSoC] Container proposals by Ishan and Christian

[Daniel Gibson]

Am 04.04.2011 00:36, schrieb Jonathan M Davis:
> On 2011-04-03 15:11, Matthias Pleh wrote:
>> On 2011-04-03 23:48, spir wrote:
>>> (Meaning a standard GUI-programming interface for D.)
>>
>> Yes, exactly! Just a really small Api to abstract the OS.
>> - Application ->  as a representation for the process
>> - Window ->  create, show, hide
>> - Canvas/Image ->  to draw on
>> + No buttons/textbox or other widgets, this would be part of the higher
>> level
>>     (some GUI's on this basic API could use native controls / others may
>> draw it itself / or draw it with GPU ...
>>
>> I mean, there were several attempts to create a GUI, each with a
>> different approach, and most of them are unfinished and abandoned.
>> This could be a base for all GUI's
>>
>>   >  A fairly big project, I guess! (even for a toy...)
>>
>> It haven't to be complete. Just a start, with the most important corner
>> cases.
>
>   I do _not_ think that generic GUI layer is a good idea. GUI toolkits all act
> very differently about a lot of things. Abstracting them is not easy and tends
> to result in you losing a lot of their power. It's better to just use the
> appropriate GUI toolkit and be done with it. Only a _very_ simple GUI
> application would ultimately be very well served by a generic GUI layer. Not
> to mention, that's just adding yet _another_ layer of abstraction on top of
> who knows how many layers of abstraction, and D is supposed to be a _systems_
> programming language. Extra layers of abstraction generally harm efficiency,
> and in this case, they don't really help the programmer all that much in
> writing their application anyway. You just can't abstract diverse GUI toolkits
> in an efficient or particularly useful manner. Only the really simplistic
> stuff would work.
>
> What we need is for projects such as qtd to get the proper support that they
> need to make progress and be completed.
>
> - Jonathan M Davis

I agree.
And please: let's not do it the Java Swing way, i.e. look and feel 
crappy and out of place on any platform for the sake of being consistent 
between platforms.

Cheers,
- Daniel