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[Daniel Gibson]

Am 04.04.2011 20:56, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu:
> On 4/4/11 12:45 PM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>> Are you saying all this drama regarding D in Reddit is mostly because
>> it's D and a particular someone with an agenda regarding D, and is not
>> the general ambiance of Reddit?
> 
> Drama is always present where people are, but the particular hubbub
> surrounding D in reddit is largely (if not exclusively) the handiwork of
> one person (id iLiekCaeks). That person spares no effort to defame D and
> often Walter on reddit: brings D with a negative connotation with every
> remote opportunity; shows up ready to pick a fight (e.g. "how about that
> Tango vs. Phobos disaster?") every single time D is being discussed in
> any way, shape, or form; replies to every one of Walter's posts and
> finds issues with virtually everything he says. He is technically
> competent, stays current with D developments, and in fact could have
> many good points to make if he wanted to.
> 
> My staunch approach is finding unity and conciliation; I have recently
> had conversations with that person that revealed that our views are
> considerably more aligned than it might seem. Even he seemed to agree,
> with varied levels of grudginess, with some of the language design
> decisions that inevitably forge compromises because they need to satisfy
> conflicting requirements. At the end of the day, professionals will
> understand there are things that can't be disagreed about and other
> things in which reasonable people can disagree.
> 
>> Because I rarely hear about or follow Reddit links outside of the D NG,
>> but when I do and check the discussions there, there is always some
>> controversy or flaming going on. I was starting to grow the impression
>> that Reddit is a huge troll cave (thus furthering my desire to avoid
>> it), so correct me if I'm wrong. (because on the other hand you seem to
>> favor posting stuff there a lot, versus other sites or news-aggregators)
> 
> Generally reddit has the nice property that articles towards the top are
> relatively informative. It is a source of information used by many
> professionals and therefore a very appropriate place for sharing
> D-related news to the larger community. Top-rated comments may be often
> informative but are occasionally just funny.
> 
> Reddit can be manipulated because their policy allows creating unlimited
> accounts and keeps them entirely private. That makes it relatively easy
> for a determined individual to use several accounts to comment, upvote,
> and downvote news.
> 
> Case in point: I have recently made four submissions to reddit: GTK+,
> iPad2 contest, GSoC 2011, and the Mago debugger. Of these, three have
> been classified as spam, even though they actually have been on the
> site, upvoted, and discussed mostly positively for hours. What I infer
> happens is that if enough accounts classify an article as "spam", the
> spam detector automatically bans the article. If that hypothesis is
> true, a determined individual who is willing to spend time on that kind
> of activity can effectively make an article disappear. I had to write
> the moderators to have the articles reinstated, but that happened only a
> day later when their novelty had already decayed.
> 
> One thing that I find a bit odd is that Walter and I need to do most of
> this all by ourselves, although there's significant pressure for us to
> do many other things for D. For example, after having suggested that the
> GTK+ news is shared on reddit and after having seen that not one soul
> cares to do that, I posted the article myself, followed up with
> moderators (twice) when it was manipulated into deletion, and made sure
> the article was reinstated.
> 
> Speaking of GtkD, I have difficulty understanding someone who is
> confident and persistent enough to carry through a major piece of work,
> yet refuses to take a simple step towards letting others know about it.
> Also, I get a good chuckle when seeing the occasional "I'm ready to do
> anything, how can I help D?" thread on digitalmars.D. Such is human nature.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andrei

And on the other hand there's Gary Whatmore and his army of sockpuppets
voting down D critics and giving the whole community a bad name with his
extreme (pseudo-?) fanboyism.