GCC 4.6

[Christopher Bergqvist]

Why not split this NG in two?
d-pragmatism - Concrete stuff, TDPL + absolutely necessary adjustments
which are probably discussed first in the other ng...
d-theory - A place to discuss the future of D, stuff with a longer timeline.

Or maybe we should accept this NG for being a mix of both and that at
least d-announce is d-pragmatism condensed, kind of.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:26 AM, so <so at so.so> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:09:44 +0300, jasonw <user at webmails.org> wrote:
>
>> You hit the nail on the head here. I see two real problems with his
>> messages:
>>
>> 1) he's "force fitting" every possible language feature he learns into D.
>> Clearly some features are useful, others are not, and this is why many of
>> bearophile's ideas fail and generate endless debates and unnecessary noise.
>> He can't see that the features just don't fit in.
>
> This is not true, there are ideas here from many others as well that
> generate endless debates.
> The reason is as far as i can see not always the ideas "just don't fit in".
> The reasons IMO are the chain of command and the resources.
> Take the last long discussion on named arguments, i don't think anyone was
> against it.
> One another thing is that a few of us evasive to some questions.
>
>> If you lack the vision of good language design as a whole, you shouldn't
>> start suggesting new features like this. I'd appreciate it more if we won't
>> introduce "new" concepts in this way.
>
> This is oxymoron, by that logic there is not a single soul on earth with
> that vision.
> You just dismissed whole academia, isn't this the way it operates?
> Don't you think this is harmful? Why does D2 exist? D1 wasn't enough?
>
>> 2) Programming language design requires rigorous definition of terms and
>> other things. The D community doesn't encourage using precise, well-defined,
>> unique terms. This leads to some subtleties and other problems in the
>> discussions. Again I think the best place for general PL discussion is
>> somewhere else, preferable in the academia. I'm sorry to say this, but I
>> likely need to study how to put him in the kill file. The whole bearophile
>> phenomenon takes place on an isolated island somewhere in the dark corners
>> of D's history. The bug reports and benchmarks are priceless, but these
>> "lectures" about other language often aren't.
>
> I agree he should slow down proposing, at the same time people better stop
> ad hominem attacks.
> If it is way to go, we all need to shut up.
>