A real Forum for D
Vladimir Panteleev
vladimir at thecybershadow.net
Tue Nov 29 15:29:24 PST 2011
On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 17:27:12 +0200, Unknown W. Brackets
<usefirstnameinstead-newsgroup at unknownbrackets.org> wrote:
> Well, that's all I mean by self moderation. If users are making a
> conscious effort to clarify (just like a "forward" button in email),
> then problem solved.
>
> I find subthreads undesirable because humans think and experience the
> conversation linearly. They're not unlikely to cross reference, and in
> newsgroups it's common to read "as X posted in his other reply" and
> such. So, then you have to go hunt that down.
I find cross-referencing to occur quite rarely.
> It also seems like providing links to other posts can't be done ideally.
> It's rarely done, sometimes it uses a proprietary link, sometimes it
> uses news://, and in most readers this seems to break threading (e.g.
> pretty sure Thunderbird just opens the post in a new tab without
> context.) So, solving the multi-parent/cross-referencing issue oneself
> isn't trivial.
This is an implementation problem (albeit a rather real and unfortunate
one).
> Sure, and choice is wonderful. But conflicting choice is the problem.
> For example, on a web based forum I typically will reply, quoting
> multiple people who talked about similar things, and addressing their
> points or concerns together.
>
> I may make multiple posts in a row (depending on the forum, some
> consider this bad manners) if there are many posts to reply to with
> slightly varying sub-subjects.
>
> This usually works well, and allows people to skim in ways that make
> sense.
>
> Now, if I have the choice to do that, how does it mesh with a newsgroup
> style? Now I have a single post with multiple parents. Where does it
> go? This is the question that "hybrid mode" fails to answer, and when
> you see it enabled, it's obvious who does and who doesn't use the
> threading.
>
> So, in that case at least, choice makes everyone lose, basically.
I think you're over-exaggerating the problem (especially considering the
trade-offs). Just put a "Reply" button next to each post, and remove the
reply facilities that are not visually tied to specific posts.
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Best regards,
Vladimir mailto:vladimir at thecybershadow.net
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