Marco.Leise at gmx.de
Fri Feb 3 20:45:12 PST 2012
Am 03.02.2012, 20:28 Uhr, schrieb Trass3r <un at known.com>:
>> The same has to happen with druntime and Phobos2 or otherwise our
>> programs will break with every new release that deprecates or changes
>> non-template functions. That would probably be *every* release at the
>> moment, so it could look like this:
>> /usr/lib64/libphobos2.so (link to /usr/lib64/libphobos2.so.060)
>> /usr/lib64/libdruntime.so (link to /usr/lib64/libdruntime.so.060)
> And you don't consider this insane?
More with the wink of an eye, that in the event of shared libraries,
deprecations of functions in every release will have this effect. :)
> The 'shared' approach is fine if a library has settled and is used
> pervasively like C runtime.
> Also the library needs to have an appropriate development approach with
> major (feature) revisions and smaller non-breaking versions.
> Phobos is a fast-moving target and doesn't fit in this model neither
> will it in the foreseeable future.
> Why do people always treat D like a mainstream language? It isn't.
How about having the option? Handling this correctly from the start on
will reduce the likelyhood that someone considers D a toy language.
> The chance that one has more than a few real D apps on one's machine is
> quite low. The chance that they use the very same version of
> phobos/druntime is even lower.
> And usually the only ones you actually use are developed by yourself
I'm using software written in OCaml, Python, Java, C++ and Delphi and it
is possible that there will be D apps I install through the package
manager, once there are standard packages in Linux distributions. And I
think that is more likely if D can come with the runtime as a shared
library. And like Johannes said earlier, there may be situations where you
depend on the availability of shared libraries.
> Making druntime shared sometime is ok I think, but it's just not ready
> yet. See the recent associative arrays dilemma. And the crappy GC.
Fair enough. I guess, I just don't want to say "I knew this would happen"
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