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Sat Feb 11 09:00:34 PST 2012
On 02/11/2012 12:58 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 10.02.2012 20:02, schrieb Tim Krimm:
>> We have C and C++
>> How about D- and D?
>> D- would be the have a similar use as today's C compilers.
>> Why create this language?
>> Well I would love to have a D compiler that supports microcontrollers.
>> The ones that have say 32 K of RAM and 64K of FLASH.
>> A language that is targeted for embedded and/or low resource
>> It would be nice to have a modern language for low resource environments.
>> A potential way to implement this language is to use the DMD frontend,
>> then flag the unsupported features of D,
>> Next create a backend, like "C front" that outputs C code instead of
>> What do I envision with D-,
>> D-- or Dm or what ever you want to call it.
>> This language would basically be D without the garbage collection.
>> For example there would be structures but no classes.
>> There would be regular arrays but no dynamic arrays.
>> Code that is mostly equivalent to C, but you would still have structures
>> with functions and overloading support,
>> and other features like templates etc.
>> I think you get the idea.
>> What are your thoughts?
> I don't see the point.
> C++ was the last systems programming language without GC getting market
> share. I seriously doubt any new systems programming language without GC
> will ever suceed.
> Specially since systems programming in MacOS X and Windows world is
Systems programming in the MacOS X and Windows world isn't real systems
programming. The closest you get is kernel and driver work but even
there you have most of an OS to work with. I think the kind of systems
programming being considered is embedded work and/or things like BIOS work.
> slowly meaning the use of reference counting or GC in the vendor
> supported systems programming languages. Objective-C in MacOS X supports
> GC and Reference Counting (GC). C++ in Windows has the std::*ptr and
> handles in C++/CX. Then there is also C# for systems programming, when
> used in context of Microsoft Research projects like Singularity.
> So sum this up. If you need a languague without GC, C and C++ are quite
> good, have lots of tools and excellent compilers available.
> Do you need a very simple C like language, but with GC and a few
> improvements, Go might be an option.
> Do you need a language with GC, that is C++ done right and quite capable
> for systems programming, pick D.
> There is no need to D-.
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