GSOC Linker project

Paulo Pinto pjmlp at progtools.org
Tue May 8 11:05:08 PDT 2012


The correct link should have been
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/ccscne/Allen.pdf

Am 08.05.2012 04:33, schrieb Andre Tampubolon:
> Interesting reading.
> I took a look at page 23, and didn't find the mention of C.
> Maybe I didn't read carefully?
>
> On 5/8/2012 3:34 AM, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> it seems I have to excuse myself. I could not find anything
>> from Adele Goldberg.
>>
>> So my statement is false. Most likely I ended up confusing
>> Fran Allen's interview in Coders at Work, with some nonsense
>> in my head.
>>
>> Still, I leave here a few links I manage to find from Fran Allen.
>>
>> Some remarks about bad languages on the page 27
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/witexhibit/pdf/allen_history.pdf
>>
>> Complaint about C on slide 23
>> http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/witexhibit/pdf/allen_history.pdf
>>
>> Another remark about C
>> http://www.windley.com/archives/2008/02/fran_allen_compilers_and_parallel_computing_systems.shtml
>>
>>
>> A video recorded at Purdue University, she also talks about C on minute 51
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si3ZW3nI6oA
>>
>> --
>> Paulo
>>
>> Am 07.05.2012 10:41, schrieb Jens Mueller:
>>> Paulo Pinto wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 7 May 2012 at 07:26:44 UTC, Jens Mueller wrote:
>>>>> Paulo Pinto wrote:
>>>>>> AST/symbol table manipulation is way faster than reparsing code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People keep talking about D and Go compilation speed, while I
>>>>>> was already
>>>>>> enjoying such compile times back in 1990 with Turbo Pascal in
>>>>>> computers much
>>>>>> less powerfull than my laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But C and C++ with their 70's compiler technology, somehow won
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> market share,
>>>>>> and then people started complaining about compilation speeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adele Golberg, once wrote a paper telling how C made the
>>>>>> compiler technology
>>>>>> regress several decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you happen to remember to exact title of that paper?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jens
>>>>
>>>> I'll try to find it, as I don't recall the title.
>>>>
>>>> I just remember that it made some remarks how primitive C was in
>>>> regard
>>>> to Algol toolchains.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>> I couldn't find it myself and I'm interested because Fran Allen said
>>> something similar in Coders at Work.
>>> I didn't understand what she meant. Andrei suggested that it is mostly
>>> (only?) about overlapping pointers to memory. I'm just curious.
>>>
>>> Jens
>>
>



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