48 hour game jam

[Paulo Pinto]

On Tuesday, 16 October 2012 at 02:45:42 UTC, so wrote:
> On Monday, 15 October 2012 at 20:41:55 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>
>> Now imagine those that have experimented how powerful Lisp and 
>> Smalltalk based OS were.
>>
>> It is so sad to see IDE makers still trying to replicate the 
>> experience from those environments.
>>
>> --
>> Paulo
>
> Thanks for mentioning that, checked "lisp os" and next thing 
> was "www.loper-os.org/?p=69". It might be offensive to some 
> people but reading his posts/rants now, i kind of like what he 
> says. This is what i was talking about when i say that i feel 
> lucky because Lisp was not my first language. Looks like he 
> experienced the language devolutions and very (rightly so) 
> frustrated.
>
> An example:
>
> "You will not find a “Thumbs Down for Python” essay in this 
> blog, because Python users make no attempt to peddle their 
> crock of shit as “the future of Lisp.” I have no quarrel 
> with users of Python, Ruby, Dylan, and other shoddy “infix 
> Lisps.” Because they are honest.
>
> It is the lying of Clojure users which upsets me, and their 
> deliberate attempts to rewrite history, to make people forget 
> that truly-interactive, advanced Lisp systems once existed"

I know that site, you should have a look at 
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932 presentation.

Now imagine that computer system was developed in the late 70's 
and how things would look like today if it wasn't for the AI 
Winter.

Same thing with Smalltalk environments, which are the only ones I 
know with the same capabilities.

Everything that is trendy nowadays, unit testing, code 
refactoring, live editing, JIT and AOT compilation, full GC based 
environments, was already available in Lisp and Smalltalk 
machines.

Or for that matter look at Native Oberon, a fully working desktop 
operating system implemented in a GC enabled systems programming 
language.

Sad that mainstream always takes generations to accept something.
--
Paulo