Possible solution to template bloat problem?

H. S. Teoh hsteoh at quickfur.ath.cx
Tue Aug 20 19:29:26 PDT 2013


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 03:46:33AM +0200, Ramon wrote:
> On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 22:58:24 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
> >On Tuesday, 20 August 2013 at 22:49:40 UTC, Ramon wrote:
> >>Happily I'm stupid and completely missed the condescending tone
> >>of an evident genius. Instead I'll just be grateful that it
> >>pleased one of the D masters to drop some statement down at me
> >>at all.
> >
> >>>Awesome, thank you and keep destroying.
> >>
> >>"destroying"??? Which part of "not to bash it" and of "D means a
> >>lot to me" and of "D is, no doubts, an excellent and modern
> >>incarnation of C/C++. As
> >>far as I'm concerned D is *the* best C/C++ incarnation ever,
> >>hands down." was too complicated to understand for your genius
> >>brain?
> >
> >I knew this would happen at some point:
> >Andrei uses "destroy" as a positive term to denote a well-reasoned
> >powerful argument/response.
> >
> >Chill :)
> 
> Uhum.
> 
> Well, where I live "to destroy" has a pretty clear and very negative
> meaning.
> I took that post (of Mr. Alexandrescu) as very rude and
> condescending and I do not intend to change my communication habits
> so as to understand "to destroy" as a positive statement or even a
> compliment. While I'm certainly not in a position to look down on J.
> Ichbiah, N. Wirth, and B. Meyer, I have certainly not spent the last
> 25+ years without understanding a thing or two about my profession,
> no matter what Mr. Alexandrescu seems to think.

I didn't find Andrei's tone condescending at all. I think you're
misunderstanding his intent. Disagreement with your ideas is one thing,
but being rude is completely another thing. I would not stand for
anyone, even if it's Andrei, being rude to a newcomer, but I don't
perceive his response as being rude at all, even if he did disagree with
you.

It's an unfortunate consequence of online communication that tone of
voice and other extra-linguistic elements are not adequately conveyed,
as a result, things tend to be taken at face value, such as the use of
the word "destroy". Those of us who know Andrei better understand that
he's using that word in a joking / non-serious way, but given that
you're a newcomer here and don't have the necessary context to interpret
what he wrote, I can totally understand how you would interpret it in a
negative way. The fact that he didn't bother explaining what he meant
didn't help, since at face value, "destroy" does indeed have a very
negative connotation.

To prove what I said about his intent, one could read through the forum
archives to see the use of the word "destroy" in a non-serious way, but
since it's not really appropriate for me to put the burden on you to do
so, I'll merely mention it. Whether you take my word for it or not,
ultimately doesn't really matter that much, but I thought I should
belabor this point for the sake of other newcomers here who may
experience the same misunderstanding.


T

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