Looks like xbox one and ps4 both amd64

[Ron]

On Wednesday, 12 June 2013 at 06:40:20 UTC, Manu wrote:
> On 11 June 2013 20:52, Nick Sabalausky
> <SeeWebsiteToContactMe at semitwist.com>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 11:39:00 +0200
>> "nazriel" <spam at dzfl.pl> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 11 June 2013 at 08:20:33 UTC, John Colvin wrote:
>> > > This has been known for a while, but I hadn't seen it 
>> > > mentioned
>> > > here explicitly.
>> > >
>> > > Both consoles are using amd jaguar cpus, which is good 
>> > > news for
>> > > us as druntime/phobos should in theory JustWork!
>> >
>> > Yeah, awesome news.
>> > Given that DMD itself probably will never support anything 
>> > except
>> > x86(-64) so there is not much pressure to support other
>> > architectures in druntime.
>> >
>> > It is really great opportunity. Some new Android smartphones 
>> > also
>> > are shipping with x86.
>> >
>> > But there seem to be some quirks with those CPUs:
>> >
>> http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-and-xbox-one-s-amd-jaguar-cpu-examined/0116297
>>
>> Wow, given the abilities of the PS3 and 360, that article 
>> reads like
>> the comments of a spoiled brat.
>>
>
> Abilities? I think they're thoroughly uninteresting and totally
> underwhelming hardware.
> They're pretty weak. I wish they'd stuck with (multiple) 
> ridiculously high
> clocked PPC's personally.
>
> I think it sounds encouraging: It means the next gen might not 
> end up
>> pulling a 3DO on price like their predecessors did. It damn 
>> near killed
>> the PS3, which took Sony some major work to finally turn 
>> around.
>>
>
> Indeed, they're obviously designed to be cheap this time... or 
> they'd be
> better, and more interesting ;)
>
> In any case, it is nice that they're using x86. Seems like a 
> smart
>> choice. I'll admit, when I first heard about it I was 
>> surprised at
>> least one of them didn't go ARM, but x86 does seem to make more
>> sense for a major games console at this particular point.
>>
>
> Personally, I think it's disappointing. x86's key advantage is 
> being able
> to run crappy desktop code fast.
> Games are not usually 'crappy desktop code', they're carefully 
> tuned,
> purpose-specific code.
> x86 uses MASSIVE amounts of its CPU realestate to tolerate 
> crappy code. I'd
> rather use that CPU realestate on more raw power, and put the
> responsibility on the engines engineering merits to make the 
> most of it.
>
> This move sets a low upper limit, and the bar will start high. 
> I don't
> anticipate you'll see much tier-ing between 1st gen -> 3rd/4th 
> gen games
> this time round.
>
> ARM might be better/more interesting than x86, but I actually 
> still think
> PPC is a good architecture for the purpose. VMX/SPU is still 
> the best SIMD
> unit.

The Jaguar cores in the xbox/ps4 don't do much hand holding, they 
are more embedded chips then desktop targeted.

Either way the interesting thing about the new consoles is that 
they are both HSA enabled, and the idea of being able to compile 
generic c/c++/d code and run it on the gpu without using special 
languages extensions(tho compiler support still needed) is what 
is interesting.

Amd's HSAIL bytecode, hMMu, shared gpu/cpu memory, and cache 
coherent GPU make the consoles very interesting, even if all of 
these things will be in desktop machines shortly after.