Ideal D GUI Toolkit

Adam Wilson flyboynw at gmail.com
Mon May 20 22:23:47 PDT 2013


On Mon, 20 May 2013 22:18:31 -0700, Nick Sabalausky  
<SeeWebsiteToContactMe at semitwist.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 20 May 2013 19:24:44 -0700
> "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 20 May 2013 18:04:10 -0700, Nick Sabalausky
>> <SeeWebsiteToContactMe at semitwist.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 20 May 2013 15:54:10 -0700
>> > "Adam Wilson" <flyboynw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Very few actual users care about changing the behavior of the
>> >> widgets. Most people who want to change them just want to skin
>> >> them.
>> >>
>> >
>> > One standard deviation is all that ever matters. Everyone else can
>> > and should just go fuck off. It's their own goddamn fault anyway
>> > for being such a bunch of unreasonable jackasses. Fuck 'em, nobody
>> > cares about them anyway, especially since we all know perfectly
>> > well they're just a bunch of fat unshowered virgin slobs living in
>> > their parent's basement and jerking to "7 of 9".
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ...Right?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Or, of course, we could just go with the classic favorite: "It's
>> > just business."
>> >
>>
>> So the basic premise of the argument is that if we can't make
>> everyone happy we shouldn't do anything at all?
>
> The basic premise is that "fuck the minority" is asinine. I know you've
> never worded it in such a way, but that's exactly what it amounts to.
>
>
>> Let me pose you this
>> question. If a piece of software did something for you that you
>> absolutely had to do and nothing else did, but had a non-native
>> widget UI, would you use that piece of software?
>>
>
> There's nothing hypothetical about that:
>
> I *do* use Claws mail, Gimp, DVDFab (to remove PUOs from my - yes,
> legitimate - discs) and various others, I have used iTunes, Flash and
> others in the past, and those are all non-native abominations. And yes,
> I put up with them *even over some native UI alternatives*, because for
> one reason or another they're the best option (for me) that I can find.
>
> That still doesn't change the fact that I hate putting up with them and
> I would immediately jump ship given an all-around sufficient
> alternative.
>
>
>> Most people, even the prideful ones, would just use it, because not
>> using the software is worse than the UI decisions by the designer.
>>
>
> So I take it you *really* weren't expecting my answer above then. You
> were maybe convinced I was something I'm clearly not, hmm? Just because
> I don't chase trends eagerly? Or just that someone not sharing your
> opinion, or who doesn't engage in group-think, couldn't possibly be
> rational? Something else, perhaps?
>

Pretty much the answer I expected actually.

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Adam Wilson
IRC: LightBender
Project Coordinator
The Horizon Project
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