What’s Wrong with OOP and FP

[eles]

On Tuesday, 12 November 2013 at 17:59:50 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
> Am 12.11.2013 17:10, schrieb eles:
>> On Tuesday, 12 November 2013 at 15:35:48 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 12 November 2013 at 15:27:36 UTC, bearophile 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ali Çehreli:
>>> Sometimes I have feeling language researchers live in some 
>>> strange
>>> imaginary world and never actually check how their
>>
>> Lambda the Ultimate and Javaland.
>
> Well, in defence of Javaland, it is a consequence how easy it

I hesitated to add Javaland to the list, exactly because of that. 
I believe it was successful because, first, was designed *by a 
company* (just like C# is) and, second, because it was mostly 
like C++ but with increased verbosity (and that means less 
cryptic and easier to follow a diff).

I am not the first to consider that Java's verbosity is a good 
thing for a company. But, I confirm that: in my day-to-day job, 
we use C (and some C++). You would be amazed how much our 
guidelines lead us towards increased verbosity (names, 
annotations/comments, declarations).