D vs Go in real life

[Paulo Pinto]

On Friday, 22 November 2013 at 15:36:43 UTC, Chris wrote:
> On Friday, 22 November 2013 at 15:31:18 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
>> On Friday, 22 November 2013 at 14:43:11 UTC, Chris wrote:
>>> On Friday, 22 November 2013 at 14:11:50 UTC, bearophile wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> E.g. one day D might implement features that have to do 
>>>>> with what Facebook needs more than features that 
>>>>> programmers need in general. So a module 
>>>>> std.webshite.upload.latest.picture gets all the attention 
>>>>> while std.reallyhandy is being neglected.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know one or two cases where this phenomenon has 
>>>> happened to a language?
>>>>
>>>> Bye,
>>>> bearophile
>>>
>>> Good question! To be honest I cannot put my finger on any 
>>> module of any language in particular. Maybe Objective-C would 
>>> be an example where sometimes things would advance at 
>>> breakneck pace in Cocoa, while some handy features in the 
>>> standard Objective-C library (e.g. in NSString) would still 
>>> be missing (but that's years ago now, I haven't used it for a 
>>> while, so I dunno how it has developed).
>>>
>>> Java is a good example of how (corporate) ideology (and 
>>> management) ruins things. Everything is a class, if you don't 
>>> want this, you create a class and declare static functions to 
>>> turn off OOP.
>>
>> You know that this comes from the original concept of what OOP 
>> is all about and Smalltalk, right?
>>
>> There are no free functions in pure OO languages, like there 
>> are no objects in pure FP languages.
>>
>> Of course, meanwhile we have learned there are other ways to 
>> do OO, but don't blame Java for Smalltalk concepts.
>>
>> --
>> Paulo
>
> I don't blame Java for Smalltalk. I just don't like ideological 
> constraints. As you said, we've learned that there are other 
> ways of doing OO, but how can people cling to things when they 
> know they are not good. I can't get my head around it. Same 
> goes for JVM. If you have JIT, why not go all the way and have 
> the _option_ to compile it to machine code?

Just get Aonix, J9, RoboVM, JET, Jasmine, JikesRVM, just to cite 
a few examples.

There are plenty AOT compilers to chose from for Java.

Oracle JVM is not the only JDK around, although people tend to 
think so.

--
Paulo