etc vs. package mangers

Jordi Sayol g.sayol at yahoo.es
Sun Oct 13 02:11:25 PDT 2013


On 13/10/13 01:11, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:09:21 SomeDude wrote:
>> On Monday, 7 October 2013 at 07:12:13 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 07, 2013 08:36:16 Jacob Carlborg wrote:
>>>> On 2013-10-06 22:40, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
>>>>> I think /etc/ should be a stepping stone to std, just like
>>>>> in C++ boost
>>>>> is for std (and boost's sandbox is for boost).
>>>>
>>>> Currently "etc" seems like where C bindings are placed.
>>>
>>> That's what I thought that it was for. I don't remember etc
>>> ever really being
>>> discussed before, and all it has are C bindings, so the idea
>>> that it would
>>> hold anything other than C bindings is news to me, though I
>>> think that we
>>> should probably shy away from putting C bindings in Phobos in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> - Jonathan M Davi
>>
>> The problem is, if these C bindings are removed, the immediate
>> reflex will be to think that Phobos doesn't have the features
>> that were fulfilled by these bindings. So the impulse will be to
>> reinvent the wheel, when these bindings are perfectly okay and do
>> the job well. C bindings is a way to save us time and build upon
>> proven quality libraries. I don't see any problem with C bindings
>> being in the standard library, as long as they are really useful
>> and high quality. The "not invented here" itch is a bad one. The
>> workforce of the community should be directed at real problems
>> and filling real gaps, rather than being wasted at reinventing
>> the wheel merely for aethetic/ideological reasons.
>>
>> I don't see any need to remove etc.
> 
> Deimos is for C bindings, not Phobos. We don't want any more modules in std 
> built on top of C bindings for libraries that aren't guaranteed to be on all 
> of the systems that we support. Having std.net.curl has been very problematic 
> due to the problems with getting a proper version of libcurl to link against 
> in Windows, and there has even been some discussion of removing it entirely. 
> So, there will be no more Phobos modules built on anything like curl or 
> openssl or gcrypt or any other C library which isn't guaranteed to be on all 
> systems. That being the case, there's no point in putting C bindings in 
> Phobos. Deimos was created specifically so that there wolud be a place to get 
> bindings to C libraries. We may want to make some adjustments to how Deimos is 
> handled, but it's our solution to C bindings, not Phobos:
> 
> https://github.com/D-Programming-Deimos
> 
> druntime should have C bindings for the OSes that we support, but that's the 
> only C bindings that should be in D's standard libraries. Whether we'll remove 
> any that we have is still up for debate, but we're not adding any more.
> 
> - Jonathan M Davis
> 

+1 for removing std.net.curl too

-- 
Jordi Sayol


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