Had another 48hr game jam this weekend...

[Danni Coy]

The linux user ended up heading the art team so we didn't test on that
environment.
Ideally the Linux user would like D support in KDevelop. Monodevelop is
acceptable but a bit clunky.



On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Jacob Carlborg <doob at me.com> wrote:

> On 2013-09-01 04:05, Manu wrote:
>
>  Naturally, this is primarily a problem with the windows experience, but
>> it's so frustrating that it is STILL a problem... how many years later?
>> People don't want to 'do work' to install a piece of software. Rather,
>> they expect it to 'just work'. We lost about 6 hours trying to get
>> everyone's machines working properly.
>> In the context of a 48 hour game jam, that's a terrible sign! I just
>> kept promising people that it would save time overall... which I wish
>> were true.
>>
>
> Was this only on Windows or were there problems on Linux/Mac OS X as well?
>
>
>  Getting a workable environment:
>>
>> Unsurprisingly, the Linux user was the only person happy work with a
>> makefile. Everybody else wanted a comfortable IDE solution (and the
>> linux user would prefer it too).
>>
>
> I can understand that.
>
>
>  IDE integration absolutely needs to be considered a first class feature
>> of D.
>> I also suggest that the IDE integration downloads should be hosted on
>> the dlang download page so they are obvious and available to everyone
>> without having to go looking, and also as a statement that they are
>> actually endorsed by the dlanguage authorities. As an end-user, you're
>> not left guessing which ones are good/bad/out of date/actually work/etc.
>>
>
> I completely agree.
>
>
>  Obviously, we settled on Visual-D (Windows) and Mono-D (OSX/Linux); the
>> only realistic choices available.
>>
>
> There's also DDT with Eclipse. It supports auto completion, go to
> definition, has an outline view and so on.
>
>
>  The OSX user would have preferred an  XCode integration.
>>
>
> This one is a bit problematic since Xcode doesn't officially supports
> plugins. But it's still possible, as been shown by Michel Fortin with his D
> for Xcode plugin.
>
>  One more thing:
>> I'll just pick one language complaint from the weekend.
>> It is how quickly classes became disorganised and difficult to navigate
>> (like Java and C#).
>> We all wanted to ability to define class member functions outside the
>> class definition:
>>    class MyClass
>>    {
>>      void method();
>>    }
>>
>>    void MyClass.method()
>>    {
>>      //...
>>    }
>>
>> It definitely cost us time simply trying to understand the class layout
>> visually (ie, when IDE support is barely available).
>> You don't need to see the function bodies in the class definition, you
>> want to quickly see what a class has and does.
>>
>
> Sounds like you want an outline view in the IDE. This is supported by DDT
> in Eclipse. Even TextMate on Mac OS X has a form of outline view.
>
> --
> /Jacob Carlborg
>
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