Remove link from github to phobos mailing list?

[Steven Schveighoffer]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 04:45:33 -0400, Iain Buclaw <ibuclaw at gdcproject.org>  
wrote:

> On 12 March 2014 08:40, Brad Roberts <braddr at puremagic.com> wrote:
>> On 3/12/14, 12:51 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/11/14, Brad Roberts <braddr at puremagic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They could be separated into two lists, but is that what any of the
>>>> developers want?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd want the dmd internals NG to be split up:
>>>
>>> http://forum.dlang.org/post/mailman.109.1392491086.6445.digitalmars-d@puremagic.com
>>
>>
>> If its what people want, then I'll make the changes (at least on the  
>> mailing
>> list and github config side of things, I can't do anything with the news
>> groups or the forum configs).
>>
>> That said, I figured a few stats might be interesting and might help  
>> inform
>> the value of the split.  Since December 4 (where the log I'm using  
>> happens
>> to start), through today, for the Phobos list, here's a break down of  
>> the
>> number of days having a given post count (note, 0 post days will be  
>> missing
>> from this since there won't have been any log lines to process, someone  
>> do
>> the math to fill that line in for us :)
>>
>>    # days   # posts
>>      18       1
>>      15       2
>>       9       3
>>      14       4
>>       6       5
>>       5       6
>>       6       7
>>       3       8
>>       1       9
>>       3      10
>>       2      11
>>       2      12
>>       1      17
>>       1      19
>>       1      23
>>       1      26
>>
>> This doesn't split between github vs non-github traffic, it's the two
>> combined.  So, the vast majority of days have less than 10 messages.   
>> That's
>> such a tiny amount that I'm amazed that anyone is remotely concerned.

There is a threshold for everyone, where messages just get mindlessly  
deleted. Basically, I don't have time to go through all these messages to  
see if they are important when most of them aren't, so whenever I see a  
github commit, I delete it. I realized recently that this is just a task I  
would like not to have to do.

Since December 4th, there have been 12 threads that were not github  
commits:

http://forum.dlang.org/post/531122FE.1020006@digitalmars.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/CACYV=-EFSQ4ujgQiOHf6UotZ7aK_q1yX6iQL--aKNzHjR5E1kQ@mail.gmail.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52EB6E6A.4000405@digitalmars.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/1391143889.8220.YahooMailNeo@web124902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52DACA0E.802@erdani.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/CAP9J_HXN2MxKEdXmi5FbFNtrXC_msW33GC=10Mx3cF8_RfroEw@mail.gmail.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D6F12D.5030803@puremagic.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D70E41.7070400@puremagic.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/EB35FC5F-AB7D-458B-93BA-4179CF9ED32B@me.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52AE0576.5070404@puremagic.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/526C95EC.6060605@erdani.com
http://forum.dlang.org/post/52D72F0A.4030400@puremagic.com

In all, we have 33 posts that were not made by github. Out of 427 that you  
reported. That's about 94% noise.

I'll note that some of these were posted by newbies that used the forum  
interface and assumed a post to the "phobos" forum would be the best place  
to ask a question about phobos. They should have been posted to the main  
group. Having extra groups that seem more focused is sometimes a bad thing.

>> From a perspective of someone who interacts with the ML through his
> own mail client, I don't feel concerned either about the extraneous
> traffic.  At least I get messages for things that I should be aware
> of.
>
>> From the perspective of someone who sees the ML as a forum though....

My main question here was, doesn't github already allow you to subscribe  
to this? In the beginning, everyone who was interested was already  
subscribed to the ML, so it made sense to send messages there. When D was  
developed on dsource and subversion, it was a way to see all the commits.  
But there was also much more discussion occurring on these groups. Now, it  
seems most of the development discussion occurs on pull requests. I don't  
want to eliminate the possibility of seeing all commits, but I would like  
to not see all commits. Is there a way we can split the discussion from  
the commits?

-Steve