Lets talk about fibers

[Chris via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 17:28:39 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:51:05 UTC, Chris wrote:
>> I agree, but I dare doubt that a slight performance edge will 
>> make the difference. There are load of factors (knowledge 
>> base, infrastructure, complacency, C++-Guruism, marketing 
>> etc.) why D is an underdog.
>
> But everybody loves the underdog when it catches up to the pack 
> and beats the pack on the finish line. ;^)
>
> I now follow Pony because of this self-provided benchmark:
>
> http://ponylang.org/benchmarks_all.pdf
>
> They are communicating a focus for a domain, a good 
> understanding of their area, and it makes me want to give it a 
> spin even at this early stage where I obviously can't actually 
> use it.
>
> I am not saying Pony is good, but it makes a good case for 
> itself IMO.
>
>> no sugar, thanks." I know, as usual I simplify things and 
>> exaggerate! He he he. But programming languages are like 
>> everything else, only because something is good doesn't mean 
>> that people will buy it.
>
> Sure, but it is also important to make people take notice. 
> People take notice of benchmark leaders. And too often 
> benchmarks measure throughput while latency is just as 
> important.
>
> End user don't notice peak throughput (which is measurable as a 
> bleep on the cloud server instance-count logs), they notice 
> reduced latency. So to me latency is the most important aspect 
> of a web-service (+ programmer productivity).
>
> I don't find Go exciting, but they show concern for latency 
> (concurrent GC etc). Communicating that concern is good, even 
> before they reach whatever goals they have.
>
>> As regard compiler-based features, as soon as features are 
>> compiler-based people will complain "Why is it built-in? That 
>> should be handled by a library! I want more freedom!" I know 
>> for sure.
>
> Heh, not if it is getting you an edge, but if it is a second 
> citizen addition. Yes, then I agree.
>
> Cheers!

Thanks for showing me Pony. Languages like Nim and Pony keep 
popping up which shows a) how important native compilation is and 
b) that there are still loads of issues in standard languages 
(C/C++/Python/Java/C#). But D is already there, it's already 
usable, and new languages often re-invent D.