A few notes on choosing between Go and D for a quick project

[deadalnix via Digitalmars-d]

On Sunday, 15 March 2015 at 14:59:22 UTC, Sativa wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 March 2015 at 14:15:18 UTC, disme wrote:
>> do you people really want to see this language be more 
>> popular? do you? doesnt look like it at all to me, the only 
>> few people in those 18+ pages that are actually telling you 
>> the real problems are mostly being ignored for futile python, 
>> go and rust talk, seriously?
>>
>> let me go ahead and say that no i dont use D, ive found it 
>> awhile ago and came back to look at it from time to time which 
>> puts me in a perfect spot to tell you that the fundamental 
>> problems for new comers are right here, in those posts:
>>
>> page 7 - Leandro Motta Barros' post
>> page 10 - Almighty Bob's first post
>> page 11 - Almighty Bob's post (again)
>> page 14 - rumbu's first post
>> page 17 - Xavier Bigand's post
>> page XX - many of Chris' posts
>> (may have missed a few but those are the ones that jumped out 
>> at me where i really went "THIS MAN GETS IT!")
>>
>> yes, those are fundamental problems FOR A NEW COMER! 90% of 
>> the posts i see in this thread are a bunch of... i dont even 
>> know? advanced "problems" that new comers would have no clue 
>> what they are about, only those few posts i mentioned are 
>> seeing the real problems.
>>
>> this community seems to be filled with really intelligent, 
>> dedicated people capable of solving some of the hardest 
>> challenges but you fail to see the tiny little bitty small 
>> things that are stopping the new comers and instead you worry 
>> about things that are far beyond their scope people...
>>
>> i guess ill find out in a few months when i visit the language 
>> again if those posts have been paid attention to, with that 
>> said i wonder how many people will reply to this because they 
>> havent read until the end (tiny little bitty detail slipping 
>> by again?)
>
> Why do you believe that something has to be dumbed down for 
> your sake instead of stepping up and learning learning 
> something that will prove to be more powerful in the end?
>
> I don't think D or anything should kowtow to "KISS". Of course 
> the lazy ignorant masses want this but humanity ultimate 
> suffers... and there is enough simple programming languages for 
> simple people. Do we really want another Python, Go, Java, 
> perl, php, asp, JS, lua, Ruby, Rust... Oh, wait, instead of 
> listing hundreds of languages, just look here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages
>
> Most of those damn languages are essentially just syntactically 
> different. Python vs Perl vs php? Who cares, it's all the same 
> crap. If all the energy went in to creating a better languages 
> with more power(power != complex) instead of just duplicating 
> the stone wheel then maybe we can get somewhere?
>
> I really find it odd when someone complains about a "feature" 
> but never uses it. e.g., "I don't like /++/", How often do you 
> use it? "Never, I don't like it!"... then whats the problem, if 
> you don't use it then how is it getting in the way of your 
> progress? "Well, because other people use it and I get confused 
> when I see it in their code!". So, instead of allowing them to 
> program the way they want, you want to control them so you 
> don't have to think as hard?
>
> Wouldn't you agree: "The best language is the one that gets out 
> of the way and lets you do exactly what you need to do in the 
> most efficient way(which isn't just about time).

Thank you for this excellent demonstration of what a good 
strawman is.