Dip Discussion

[Illuminati via Digitalmars-d]

On Monday, 29 August 2016 at 00:10:15 UTC, Dicebot wrote:
> On Sunday, 28 August 2016 at 22:16:47 UTC, Illuminati wrote:
>> I don't know how you can make such an assertion. It's like 
>> saying that if there were no humans around to breath there 
>> would be no oxygen. You have to build something first for it 
>> to be used and grow, not the other way around, which is 
>> illogical. People can't use something if it doesn't exist, so 
>> you can't claim that for it to be created(put in to existence) 
>> that first people need to use it("have traffic"). The better 
>> you build something the more people will use it. If you can't 
>> build it well then no need to beat around the bush.
>
> I am saying that any system does not come for free and has both 
> setup and ongoing costs. It has to be justified by the fact 
> that existing approach doesn't work anymore, "it is cool" or 
> even "it is better" is not enough. D workforce is simply not 
> large enough to afford commitments of limited importance.

I don't disagree with the "practical" aspects, but to know if it 
is worth it requires far more actual facts than suppositions and 
guesses(not saying you are completely guessing).  For example, 
there might be someone out there willing to contribute the time 
and do all the work but if no effort is made to made those 
connections they cannot happen.

So, I am trying to change your attitude, not necessarily the 
outcome. Do you not agree it is better to have a positive 
approach like "Yes, we need to get some type of proper discussion 
format going on to maximize involvement, we just need to figure 
that out"?

Then the figuring out part is just a "problem" to be solved at 
some point by someone... and that is easy("time and money" which 
is something the world has a lot of).

But if there is a negative/pessimistic/skeptical approach, things 
simply cannot progress and evolve.

So, I'd rather hear something "Yes, great idea... we will work on 
it when we get a chance" as it lets me know that the proper 
attitudes are in effect that will help D go somewhere. If I here 
"No, that's too hard... too much work. Not interested", etc. It 
lets me know that the fight is an uphill battle and it makes me 
not want to be part of that negative approach. Make sense?

For example, I would be willing to contribute if I 
thought/believed my contributions were going to be worthwhile. I 
am not alone in this, everyone is this way.