TIOBE December 2015 - D rose 5 positions

Joakim via Digitalmars-d digitalmars-d at puremagic.com
Sat Jan 9 08:58:15 PST 2016


On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 14:01:20 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:
> On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 13:43:09 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 10:13:01 UTC, Ola Fosheim 
>> Grøstad wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 04:24:05 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>>> How is it "political?"  My prediction is entirely geared 
>>>> around hardware and software realities.
>>>
>>> No, businesses don't want P2P, client-server is the ultimate 
>>> dongle...
>
> Copy protection. Anti-piracy measure in hardware.

Heh, the web had none until very recently, and that's something 
most businesses don't use.

>> I've used it in a couple different countries, it's surpringly 
>> good.  Not 100% accurate, but no map is.
>
> It is good enough for inner-city, but not as a pedestrian 
> looking for shortcuts, going for walks/biking in the 
> forest/mountains or driving in rural areas.

And there's some paper map out there that has all that and is up 
to date? :)

>> So nothing important changed about the web technology itself, 
>> you're just impressed by its success?
>
> I has changed dramatically over the past 5 years.

Right, my original question was what changed in the tech so that 
you're now impressed?  Since you don't name anything, doesn't 
sound like anything in the tech itself caused the change in your 
impression.

>> No, you'd still have been going online through proprietary 
>> networks like Prodigy, CompuServe, AOL, or The Microsoft 
>> Network: :)
>
> Or maybe there would have been a market for commercial 
> browsers, like Opera.

Sure, my original point was that it took the commercial backing 
of Netscape.  If it would have happened a lot later because of a 
commercial backer like Opera, the point still stands that it gets 
nowhere as an OSS project alone, without a commercial backer, 
especially back then when most people weren't online.

On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 14:12:22 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad 
wrote:
> On Saturday, 9 January 2016 at 14:01:20 UTC, Ola Fosheim 
> Grøstad wrote:
>> Or maybe there would have been a market for commercial 
>> browsers, like Opera.
>
> This timeline is quite telling:
>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Timeline_of_web_browsers.svg
>
> It is rather obvious that the web would have evolved without 
> Netscape. But Internet Explorer could have become completely 
> dominating, of course.

I'm not sure what that timeline tells you, as it leaves out 
market share.  Netscape dominated that early period, before IE 
gained steam because MS bundled it with Windows.  The fact that 
there were many other browsers with negligible share is neither 
here nor there; it was the commercial backing of Netscape that 
built the web audience, before commercially-backed IE came in and 
took it.


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