Maybe D is right about GC after all !

[Russel Winder]

On Sat, 2017-12-23 at 11:33 +0200, ketmar via Digitalmars-d wrote:
> Russel Winder wrote:
> 
> > I think we are now in a world where Rust is the zero cost
> > abstraction
> > language to replace C and C++, except for those who are determined
> > to
> > stay with C++ and evolve it.
> 
> sorry, but it is not zero cost. we have alot of C and C++ code.
> converting 
> it to Rust is not zero cost at all. and using it as-is won't make
> our 
> codebases any better.

I think we are using different meanings of "zero cost abstraction".

[…]
> 
> what i want to say (and didn't, as usual) is that Rust is not zero
> cost due 
> to exisiting codebases. either you have to invest alot of time and
> efforts 
> to port those codebases, or you have to use both Rust and C/C++, and
> suffer 
> the consequences.

Porting code and "zero cost abstraction" are totally separate things,
there is no causal relation between them.

> […]
> 
> that is, D actually has *no* competitors. if not google and mozco,
> people 
> won't even start talking seriously about Go/Rust. yet even in this
> unfair 
> race, D presence is constantly growing. just wait a little, and
> you'll see 
> a dawn of Rust and Go. and D will be still there, standing strong
> and 
> proud. ;-)

Programming language traction is only partly related to any technical
arguments. Hugely important is resource and marketing. C++ has Intel
and others. Rust has Mozilla and others. Go has Google and others. 

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Russel.
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