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[Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d]

On Friday, 23 June 2017 at 20:25:10 UTC, Joakim wrote:
> On Friday, 23 June 2017 at 16:49:54 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
>> On Friday, 23 June 2017 at 06:41:26 UTC, Bienlein wrote:
>>>> Java, Kotlin, C# are still Jit compiled languages, with the 
>>>> memory footprint to prove it :)
>>>
>>> The memory footprint doesn't matter. Those times are OVER :-).
>>
>> Do you want D to compete in enterprise domain? Of 16 programs 
>> running on my machine 13 are native.
>
> Not only that, but the majority of use of Java and soon Kotlin 
> is on Android, where efficiency and memory footprint matters a 
> lot, hence Java moving to AoT-compilation when Android 5.0 
> released three years ago and adding a concurrent GC:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/11/android-5-0-lollipop-thoroughly-reviewed/3/#h2
>
> C# lost out internally at Microsoft precisely because of how 
> bloated it made everything, with signs that native is ascendant 
> again in recent years:
>
> https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7ffb5a1a
>
> Bienlein may be right that there are niches where memory 
> footprint doesn't matter and there were years where it wasn't a 
> big deal, but it's back now.  RAM is really cheap today, but 
> latency and power efficiency are the big issues.  You could put 
> 8 GBs of RAM in every smartphone right now, and there are some 
> models which do (http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5-8647.php), 
> but the only reason most don't is because it'd suck a lot more 
> power.

C# lost the Longhorn/Vista battle, but won the Windows 10 UWP one.

Try to find the C++ talks.

https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/2017