Weak Eco System?

Wed May 17 01:31:15 PDT 2017

Btw, I have no issue with code-d on linux, but on windows why havent you
try visuald ide? I belive it is one of the best D ide on windows right now
and if I remember correctly it is part of standard D installer

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Kozak <kozzi11 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not see any problem with D community. It is one of the best community
> I known btw. I would like to have better IDE support for D too, but this is
> something I do not see comming until Jetbrains make it for us (and I do not
> see why would they  do this until D is much more popular)
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Benro via Digitalmars-d <
> digitalmars-d at puremagic.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, 16 May 2017 at 23:17:10 UTC, Mike B Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Grow up!!!!!
>>>
>>> ! is not yelling. It makes no sound, has no meaning, and only exists to
>>> insert in to tight anuses that have no life.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you for your helpful comment.
>>
>> I wonder if the inability for D community to grow is not more related to
>> the fairly noticeable arrogant attitude of its members.
>>
>> One only need to read past messages on this forum to see the exact same
>> issue over and over again. People mention issues and the standard response:
>> "Why do you not do x" or act with a sense of superiority.
>>
>> Maybe too many people have been D member too long but its obvious that
>> there are too many steps for new users to use D, unlike with other new
>> languages.
>>
>> D as a language is fairly feature complete. But everything around it just
>> screams "skipped leg day".
>>
>> Lets see with other languages?
>>
>> Go: Full working IDEs where things just work out of the box.
>>
>> ** IntelliJ: You can simply get Gogland and it works great.
>> ** VSC: vscode-go work perfectly.
>>
>> Rust:
>>
>> ** IntelliJ: intellij-rust plugin works great, few steps required.
>> ** VSC: vscode-rust ...
>>
>> I am using these languages because they are young languages. Despite that
>> they outrun D on several fronts.
>>
>> It takes me 10 minutes in other languages to get a full working IDE with
>> lots of Editor/IDE choices. It takes time, hours of reading, compiling,
>> configuring to try and get a full working IDE on D. And no, color syntax
>> does not count.
>>
>> I do not want to disparage the D plugin authors but one only needs to see
>> the update history of all the D, Go, Rust, ... plugins to see the
>> difference in activity. There is a lack of passion. Maybe its just my
>> impression but this language seems to be support really by maybe a dozen
>> people at best. What happens if Walter and Andrei call it quits? Or god
>> forbids anything happens to them.
>>
>>
>> I do not know about you but posting a point of criticism in the other
>> communities does not result in such drama. Maybe people have gotten too
>> sensitive and desperate for protecting the language that criticism is
>> considered bad.
>>
>> But you think that responses like "if you would have took the time to
>> report it!". No ... when i report issues in the other languages, nobody
>> acts like that. Even if it was a misunderstanding, i notice people jumping
>> on each other here WAY too much in previous posts.
>>
>> Let me mention how a few other languages do things:
>>
>> Predictable release schedules: Rust every 6 weeks a release. Go six month
>> release a release. D? Whenever?
>>
>> Plugin support: Well, see above. Even the Google able Editor/IDE wiki
>> page is out of date ( https://wiki.dlang.org/IDEs,
>> https://wiki.dlang.org/Editors ). From my understanding there are about
>> 4 or 5 plugin/editors that have some life in them. All the rest seems
>> abandoned. Inviting is it not?
>>
>> Community: Outside this forum almost non existing unless you consider
>> reddit/programming. Where other languages have active communities outside
>> there main side / forum.
>>
>> Proposals: DIP how many gave gotten accepted, that are NOT part of the
>> main developers like Walter and Andrei. Most seem to turn into a slugfests
>> for ages and they slowly die. Other languages seems to have a much more
>> inviting attitude towards proposals.
>>
>> Tooling: Split, manual compile jobs, not part of the main installation.
>>
>> dmd, rdmd why do they even exist in this wat? rdmd needs to be default.
>> Nothing more fun as trying to get a module to run, getting a cryptic
>> message only to find out you need to use rdmd or use dmd with flags link to
>> it. What are we 1980's?
>>
>> Even the default dmd info is too much. User friendly it is not. The
>> advanced information needs to be behind a flag, not dumped onto a user his
>> screen.
>>
>> It feels like C++ software from the 80s that assumes that ever user can
>> spend a few hours reading / understanding each flag.
>>
>>
>> How about focusing on one compiler instead of splitting your community in
>> three. Its a wast of resources. There is a clear lack of people to support
>> the language and this attitude of running people off. Great idea <sarcasm>.
>>
>>
>> Its no wonder that Go, Rust simply jumped over D. Its not about corporate
>> backers, its about how the community is build up.
>>
>>
>> I can go on but it feels like trowing words at a wall. There are a LOT of
>> issues that are obvious for any outsider to see after a short amount of
>> time.
>>
>>
>> Deal with these comments how you like. Maybe you think i am trolling but
>> that make me the most stupid Troll to wast so much time writing this.
>>
>> Frankly, i like the D language but there is a instant dislike to this
>> community. Like most people i do not have the time to deal with drama. This
>> is my last attempt at going with D. Good day to you Sir!
>>
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