[OT] Windows dying

Joakim dlang at joakim.fea.st
Wed Nov 1 08:49:05 UTC 2017


On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 00:16:19 UTC, Mengu wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced 
>> a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with 
>> an Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and 3 GBs of RAM 
>> as my daily driver a couple years ago, without skipping a beat.
>>  I built large mixed C++/D codebases on my ultrabook, now I do 
>> that on my Android/ARM tablet, which has a slightly weaker 
>> chip than my smartphone.
>>
>
> how do you program on your tablet? what are your tools? what is 
> your setup? i also believe laptops are here to go.

I use the Termux app that I mentioned before, along with a Rapoo 
bluetooth keyboard and a cheap, foldable stand to prop up my 
tablet:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en

`apt install clang ldc vim git gdb cmake ninja python` in Termux 
and I'm ready to go (well, not quite, as I also need some library 
packages depending on the project, but you get the idea).  You 
can also install Termux on a Chromebook laptop that runs Android 
apps:

https://mobile.twitter.com/rmloveland/status/908529214357458946
https://mobile.twitter.com/termux

It's far from an IDE, but I never used those before anyway.  I 
want to try out something like that Sentio laptop shell one day, 
as the bigger 11.6" screen does make sense for me.  So far, I've 
been fine with my 8.4" tablet screen though.

On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 00:30:21 UTC, Tony wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>
>>
>> There will always be a few Windows cockroaches that survive 
>> the mobile nuclear blast, but we're talking about the majority 
>> who won't.
>>
>
> Why do predictions about the future matter when at the present 
> Windows dominates the desktop and is also strong in the server 
> space?

Because that desktop market matters much less than it did before, 
see the current mobile dominance, yet the D core team still 
focuses only on that dying x86 market.  As for the future, why 
spend time getting D great Windows IDE support if you don't think 
Windows has much of a future?

> I have seen conflicting reports about what OS is bigger in the 
> server market, but Windows is substantial and the more frequent 
> winner.
>
> https://community.spiceworks.com/networking/articles/2462-server-virtualization-and-os-trends
>
> https://www.1and1.com/digitalguide/server/know-how/linux-vs-windows-the-big-server-check/

I have never seen any report that Windows is "bigger in the 
server market."  Last month's Netcraft survey notes,

"which underlying operating systems are used by the world's web 
facing computers?

By far the most commonly used operating system is Linux, which 
runs on more than two-thirds of all web-facing computers. This 
month alone, the number of Linux computers increased by more than 
91,000; and again, this strong growth can largely be attributed 
to cloud hosting providers, where Linux-based instances are 
typically the cheapest and most commonly available."
https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2017/09/11/september-2017-web-server-survey.html

Your first link is actually a bad sign for Windows, as it's 
likely just because companies are trying to save money by having 
their employees run Windows apps off a virtualized Windows 
Server, rather than buying a ton more Windows PCs.  Meanwhile, 
your second link sees "Linux maintaining a noticeable lead" in 
the web-hosting market.

> And if desktop OSes were going to go away, the MacOS would go 
> before Windows.

Oh, Apple wants that to happen, one less legacy OS to support, 
which is why all the Mac-heads are crying, because macOS doesn't 
get much attention nowadays.  Do you know the last time Apple 
released a standalone desktop computer?  2014, when they last 
updated the Mac Mini.  They haven't updated the Mac Pro since 
2013.

They see the writing on the wall, which is why they're 
lengthening their release cycles for such legacy products.

On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 01:59:19 UTC, codephantom wrote:
> On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote:
>> I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced 
>> a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with 
>> an Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and 3 GBs of RAM 
>> as my daily driver a couple years ago, without skipping a beat.
>>  I built large mixed C++/D codebases on my ultrabook, now I do 
>> that on my Android/ARM tablet, which has a slightly weaker 
>> chip than my smartphone.
>>
>
> hahhaa hahhaa... I can't stop laughing...hahaaa hahaaaaa. 3GB 
> of ram, 4GB of ram..hahhaa..hahhha.... I'm starting to feel ill 
> too...hahha...hahha.....
>
> ok. I'm back...to normal now...
>
> Can your tablet run FreeBSD as host, and run multiple vm's at 
> the same time too?
>
> Can you put multiple SSD RAID into your tablet?
>
> Can you upgrade its ram to 32GB?
>
> Can you upgrade its video card to 6GB?
>
> Can you overclock its cpu to 4GHz?
>
> Can you even replace its cpu?
>
> Desktops rule!!!!  Tablets are only good for reading pdf's 
> while in bed ;-)

You're right, tablets can't do most of those things, though if 
you're fine just running FreeBSD in Qemu, that's coming:

https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/pull/1329

If your point is that the 1% of PC users who do such things will 
stick with PCs and the remaining 99% will switch to mobile, I 
agree with you. :)


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