This thread on Hacker News terrifies me

[rikki cattermole]

Then there are polytechnics which I went to for my degree, where the 
focus was squarely on Industry and not on academia at all.

But in saying that, we had third year students starting out not 
understanding how cli arguments work so...

Proper software engineering really takes 5+ years just to get started, 
10+ to become actually good at it. Sadly that won't be acceptable in our 
current society.