Feedback on Átila's Vision for D
wendlec at tcd.ie
Wed Oct 16 17:15:53 UTC 2019
On Wednesday, 16 October 2019 at 12:23:47 UTC, Guillaume Piolat
> It's a bit too much irony for me. Your entire involvement with
> this forum is to disparage D and drive people out (I've read
> dozens of your posts). See the language you are using in this
> very post:
Not true. If you go back to my older posts, I used to be quite
enthusiastic about D, sometimes overly enthusiastic. But I've
learned my lesson and I know now that some of the criticism of D
that I criticized was actually valid. But your statement above
shows that your an ideologue who doesn't mind tweaking the facts
a little or going ad hominem for no reason other than that
someone dares to mention some of the language's and the D
Foundation's shortcomings - or you have invested so much into D
professionally that you're afraid of losing customers or
investors. I don't know and I don't care.
> - "failed ambitions in the past"
Yep. How many things have been tried becase C++/Go/Rust have it,
how many half baked features have users had to put up with.
Remember the semi-constructors without semi-dctors?
> - "D also needs a clean up" < implying it's too dirty to save,
> which is just funny as ProtoObject and copy-ctor makes is
> cleaner, the clean-up is actually in progress,
Cleaner in the sense that you don't have to work around
autodecode for starters...
> - "It seems hasn't reached the critical mass of users" < it
> "seems" but somehow it has to be asserted like truth? How do we
> know that?
Has it reached the critical mass? In other languages, once
there's a critical mass (Java comes to mind, and Python too) you
get enough volunteers who develop great tools (package managers,
IDE plugins etc.) This hasn't happened for D, so I suppose that D
hasn't reached the critical mass of programmers yet.
> ...this sort of ready-made sentences been going for years and
> of course they have an effect on perception and you are doing
> it on purpose, every day.
Again: not true. Not every day. Secondly, I'm not doing it on
purpose to disparage D, it's my two cents I throw in as an
ex-user. But I can see that some of the points me and other
heretics have raised are being taken on board now. Slowly but
surely, as your first post in this thread shows.
> One idea to improve D marketing would be not to offer a tribune
> for unsubstantiated criticism.
Pure ideology. What are you afraid of? Covering up the
shortcomings of a product won't make it better and people will
find out sooner or later. And as D doesn't have an oppressive
mechanism behind it (state or a monopoly), people will go
somewhere else. You can only convince with excellence, there are
loads of alternatives, you know?
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