Phobos' slow descent into madness
Berni44
someone at somemail.com
Sat May 8 10:01:27 UTC 2021
On Saturday, 8 May 2021 at 01:20:34 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> I think his point is to collect the current criticisms of
> Phobos into a single point of reference, perhaps on the wiki or
> something, that could serve as a list of improvements to be
> made.
+1 (would be nice to have forum feature to do that without adding
a new post)
Recently there were rumors of Phobos 2.0. I think, that would be
a chance to get us out of the muds. But for that we need such a
signpost. It would help us to make us run all in more or less the
same direction.
To a certain extend it will be possible to improve already on
Phobos 1.0. But we quite often reach points, where we need
deprecation cycles (or even
preview-switch-and-later-deprecation-cycles) which takes quite a
long time and is annoying for users too.
n8sh
[recently](https://github.com/dlang/phobos/pull/7775#issuecomment-831996462) pointed me to [Dear Google Cloud: Your Deprecation Policy is Killing You](https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprecation-policy-is-killing-you-ee7525dc05dc). This made me thoughtful.
I would probably like to have a policy like Java has (see the
article above for more details). But before starting such a
thing, I'd prefer to reach something really stable (compared to
stable with the meaning of changing things all two months, which
for me is somewhat a self-contradiction).
So what I would like to do, would be:
- Let Phobos 1.0 be as is (maybe even remove the deprecation
cycles).
- Move over to Phobos 2.0 (e. g.) until summer 2023 (with a list
of goals at hand, e.g. no auto-*coughing*, a better range/string
concept, etc.). This will include several breaking changes.
- End of 2022 Phobos 2.0 will be frozen: Nothing new is accepted,
only bugfixes.
- From summer 2023 on, Phobos 2.0 is stable. We guarantee
backward compatibility forever, but things may be deprecated.
- We may then start working on Phobos 2.1, which will be released
in summer 2025 and frozen at end of 2024. And so on.
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