[OT] What are D's values?

[Dukc]

On Thursday, 7 October 2021 at 13:29:34 UTC, Guillaume Piolat 
wrote:
> First of all:
> - They are very different universe; you really do live in a 
> different universe when full-time. The culture is completely 
> different.

Interesting! How do D and C++ cultures differ?

> Tools in C++ are not much better for me (cmake vs dub, what 
> would you really prefer?), build times are usually worse, 
> compilers are also kinda crashy, STL is a lot less usable than 
> Phobos. Would you rather read C++ or D all day long? Honestly.

Wow, are modern C++ compilers crashy *when compared to D*? I 
definitely agree that D compilers nowadays are more than stable 
enough for production, but do they really rival the most common 
C++ ones? And is this when using recent C++ features or also with 
older codebases?

>
> Different, incompatible syntax to do things in different 
> vendors. You absolutely do more backwards compatibility 
> shenanigans in C++, if only because the standard advance so 
> quickly, and the stdlib are made differently - at different 
> stages of the newest standard.

To be fair this is probably because all the widely used D 
compilers have the same frontend. If SDC was in production too it 
would be a fairer comparison.

> And C++ is also a bad learning investment for anyone, since you 
> cannot learn C++ as fast as the Standard Comittee makes 
> changes. D changes a lot less and you can learn it in 3x less 
> time. Practionners then get the strangest Stockholm syndrom and 
> take pride in knowing C++ minutiae like if it mattered.

More news for me, if you really mean that. C++ does add features 
fast for such an old language. But changing faster than D, 
considering they tend to keep the old features around where we 
deprecate them? Really?

>
> The real question is: why start a green C++ project today 
> instead of D. Apart from: staffing, specific platforms, or 
> legacy I don't think the positives outweight the negatives.

I sign that one (to surprise of none I guess).