Proof of concept for v2 - NO duplication, NO `static if` hell, NO difficulty with interoperability

H. S. Teoh hsteoh at
Sun Oct 31 21:54:32 UTC 2021

On Sunday, 31 October 2021 at 19:13:57 UTC, SealabJaster wrote:
> Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting this, but this reads to me as 
> "If you don't contribute to the core language your views are 
> not important."
> A sign of a potential echo-chamber in the higher parts of the 
> language's hierarchy. Quite disturbing.

Having been around in the forums for a good number of years, I 
can say that Andrei's stance probably came from the history of 
the forum where every so often, somebody new barges in and tells 
everyone what we're doing wrong and their opinions about how 
things ought to be done instead.  Unfortunately, for all the time 
and energy spent in telling volunteers what to do with their 
spare time (rather presumptuous, if you'll allow me to say), 
after a period of time it becomes clear that said individual is 
not interested in actually investing the effort to make his 
vision of what ought to be done a reality.  After some time, such 
people either peter out and fade into the sidelines, or leave in 
a huff. After seeing several rounds of this, one can hardly help 
rolling one's eyes when the next precocious newcomer shows up 
with a bunch of opinions about why everybody else is wrong and 
what they should be doing instead.

Now, I'm not saying that what we've been doing is perfect and 
cannot be criticized -- there are definitely a lot of areas that 
need improvement.  And certainly none of us, Andrei included, is 
infallible, no matter how convinced we are that our way is the 
best.  So there's definitely a need to listen to users who often 
have a legitimate cause to complain.  But it certainly does not 
leave a good taste in the mouth when somebody comes and orders 
volunteers around as if they were employees, yet at the same time 
is reluctant to lift a finger to actually help out.  After 
witnessing what we did in the history of the forum, it's very 
tempting to just reach for the delete button when yet another 
message gets posted to the forum about how wrong we are and how 
right they are from someone who hasn't proven their willingness 
to actually contribute -- even if they do have a legitimate cause 
of complaint.

(P.S. I'm speaking in general, this is not directed at anyone in 
particular. Just in case something gets lost in translation/on 
the wire here.)


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