Proof of concept for v2 - NO duplication, NO `static if` hell, NO difficulty with interoperability
H. S. Teoh
hsteoh at quickfur.ath.cx
Sun Oct 31 21:54:32 UTC 2021
On Sunday, 31 October 2021 at 19:13:57 UTC, SealabJaster wrote:
[...]
> Forgive me if I'm misinterpreting this, but this reads to me as
> "If you don't contribute to the core language your views are
> not important."
>
> A sign of a potential echo-chamber in the higher parts of the
> language's hierarchy. Quite disturbing.
[...]
Having been around in the forums for a good number of years, I
can say that Andrei's stance probably came from the history of
the forum where every so often, somebody new barges in and tells
everyone what we're doing wrong and their opinions about how
things ought to be done instead. Unfortunately, for all the time
and energy spent in telling volunteers what to do with their
spare time (rather presumptuous, if you'll allow me to say),
after a period of time it becomes clear that said individual is
not interested in actually investing the effort to make his
vision of what ought to be done a reality. After some time, such
people either peter out and fade into the sidelines, or leave in
a huff. After seeing several rounds of this, one can hardly help
rolling one's eyes when the next precocious newcomer shows up
with a bunch of opinions about why everybody else is wrong and
what they should be doing instead.
Now, I'm not saying that what we've been doing is perfect and
cannot be criticized -- there are definitely a lot of areas that
need improvement. And certainly none of us, Andrei included, is
infallible, no matter how convinced we are that our way is the
best. So there's definitely a need to listen to users who often
have a legitimate cause to complain. But it certainly does not
leave a good taste in the mouth when somebody comes and orders
volunteers around as if they were employees, yet at the same time
is reluctant to lift a finger to actually help out. After
witnessing what we did in the history of the forum, it's very
tempting to just reach for the delete button when yet another
message gets posted to the forum about how wrong we are and how
right they are from someone who hasn't proven their willingness
to actually contribute -- even if they do have a legitimate cause
of complaint.
(P.S. I'm speaking in general, this is not directed at anyone in
particular. Just in case something gets lost in translation/on
the wire here.)
--T
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