Regarding the proposed Binray Literals Deprecation
jmh530
john.michael.hall at gmail.com
Mon Sep 12 14:48:12 UTC 2022
On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 07:24:03 UTC, Max Samukha wrote:
> On Saturday, 10 September 2022 at 19:05:38 UTC, Don Allen wrote:
>>
>> I couldn't agree more with this. I've made it clear that I've
>> done some very successful work with D and have been very
>> pleased with the outcome. But this work involved porting C
>> code I wrote 10 years ago that had become ugly (or maybe it
>> always was) and difficult to maintain. The D version is a big
>> improvement.
>
> Removing the binary literals does not mean reduction in
> complexity, neither in the compiler, nor in the user code.
There are multiple ways that complexity has been used on this
thread, which I think contributed to a lot of disagreements. It
might be better in the future if people make clear whether they
refer to compiler-complexity or user-complexity (or call it
developer-complexity, same idea).
I don't have the knowledge to comment on how they impact
compiler-complexity.
I think most people would agree that removing binary literals
would not meaningfully reduce user-complexity. I haven't heard of
a new D programmer struggling with understanding about how binary
literals interact with some other feature in a complex way. They
aren't that frequently used, but people can look up how they work
if you need them. However, there's also an asymmetry. The more a
user makes use of them, the larger the potential cost to them for
the removal. So, even if there is a minor reduction of
user-complexity, the people who make use of them face a larger
cost. I think this is what frustrates some on the thread.
I would echo the comments of others about the importance of
automated tools to reduce the burden on users of these kinds of
changes. I don't recall anyone mentioning the removal of
complex/imaginary numbers, but the issues are the same.
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