D has become unbearable and it needs to stop

[Martyn]

On Tuesday, 13 June 2023 at 16:57:15 UTC, GrimMaple wrote:
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Thank you for taking the time to respond.

Yes, your answers are confirming a number of things.. and that my 
'imagine' case(es) are, in fact, a reality - especially for 
bigger-than-average maintainers... like dlangui.

The "dependencies bad" mindset has a place for certain projects 
but should this be the case for many D projects? Sure D is great 
for low-level solutions and certainly allows this approach. It is 
a great replacement for C, etc. However D is also a high-level 
language and its ease of use should be comparable to C#, Java, 
etc - especially with their respected package repositories.

With dependencies, the footprint on D executable, etc, should 
still be tiny compared to others. In **most cases**, the 
"dependency bad" needs to die in D.


*"I went through great lengths to extract them from dlangui 
project itself (they were initially copy-pasted into a 3rdparty 
folder), and I'm beginning to regret this. If any of the 
dependencies break, or stop updating, I'm stuck with an old 
compiler version essentially. And it's not like replacing 
dependencies is easy when they are so scarce."*

This pretty much hit the nail on the head for me. I do not want 
to write commercial projects only to keep having to handle 
dependency/compiler problems. Reality is - **** happens, and time 
is money. Do I really have the time to deal with this (potential) 
problem happening out of nowhere?


*"I agree that some form of LTS is needed, but I don't think it's 
going to happen with D"*

This is too bad. I hope you are wrong about this. I have been 
on-and-off with D for a few years, now. I felt D was going to be 
the "one true language" for me, whether low or high level. Some 
projects are coming my way believing the time have arrived to 
finally move to D.. to write some server-side applications... I 
just feel like I will hit a brick wall with the things mentioned 
above. Honestly it's making me bite the bullet and go a step 
closer to Ru$t (though they were having their own problems with 
trademark backlashes.. lol)


*"Yes, that is the whole point of this thread. To ask for some 
sort of stability in the D ecosystem"*

I just wanted it laid out in plain text. It seems to me the 
majority are on the same wavelength of what LTS means. I just 
wanted to clarify this.

Happy hacking.