named arguments, string interpolation, please stop.
deadalnix
deadalnix at gmail.com
Thu Jan 11 13:07:52 UTC 2024
I have been in the D community for a very long time. I have seen
D successfully deployed in companies, and the pain points
associated with it. I have seen D fails to catch on in companies
and why that is has well.
Let me tell you, none of this has anything to do with feature D
has or does not have. At large, D has more features than most
languages.
D chasing the next feature like a crack addict chase his next
dose. With the same level of success.
The main problem people face with D in the real world are almost
exclusively of the implementation kind. The list is endless (and
yes, there are many bugs reports about these things). I recently
made a post about how the OOP implementation is extremely sub-par
vs what people in OOP languages would expect. no change of the
language required to fix. See here:
https://forum.dlang.org/post/hteuczyclxajakrisxjd@forum.dlang.org
But if you are not convinced, here are a few more example of
thing being implemented wrong or existing feature not working
right:
- D runtime is unable to see thread started manually (for
instance with pthread-create) leading to all kind of bizarre
behavior.
- Template symbols are generated as weak, which prevents
inlining (!).
- Pretty much no cross module inlining, making helper function
absurdly costly.
- scope(success) generates exception handling code.
- D goes virtual by default for class methods, but LTO is unable
to finalize (contrary to every other languages going virtual by
default).
- The GC implementation is nowhere close to where it needs to be.
- in contracts are dynamically bound (and in the callee) instead
of statically bounds and in the caller.
These are just simple thing that I have on top of my mind, but
there are a ton more. I have seen some of the above cause
projects to fail. None of them require any significant language
change.
There is nothing features like string interpolations or named
argument can bring to the table that could pay for the
implementations problem of existing feature. The cost benefit
analysis is just a big L for D: the fail to address the main pain
points, while causing massive breakage in the tooling ecosystem
(syntax highlighting support in 3rd party IDE, code formatter,
etc...), and it cost real time and resource to upgrade these, or
come at the cost of other quality of life stuff nullifying their
benefit (for instance, the quality of syntax highlighting for D
has degraded significantly in vim and sublime text over the past
few years).
In addition, some recent D features, such as @nogc, has been a
productivity disaster int he wild. While the impact might not be
felt on smaller codebases, the infectious nature of the feature
makes large codebase significantly harder the refactor than they
used to be.
Each time we take steps in that direction, D becomes a harder
sell.
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