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On 1 Jun 2015 07:57, "Manu via Digitalmars-d" <<a href="mailto:digitalmars-d@puremagic.com">digitalmars-d@puremagic.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 1 June 2015 at 15:05, Brad Anderson via Digitalmars-d<br>
> <<a href="mailto:digitalmars-d@puremagic.com">digitalmars-d@puremagic.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Monday, 1 June 2015 at 04:36:06 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 5/31/15 8:48 PM, Manu via Digitalmars-d wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> As for dub, I'd use it if it worked like a package manager; dub get<br>
> >>> libcurl-d libqt-d zlib-d libsdl2-d etc<br>
> >>> I have no use for it as a build system, and therefore it's expression<br>
> >>> of dependencies is no use to me. I just want something that works the<br>
> >>> same way as '-dev' packages already work perfectly well in linux, that<br>
> >>> is, they fetch headers and libs, and put them in a standard location<br>
> >>> that all the tooling can find.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> I thought it does that.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If dub doesn't allow me to type one command to download and install all I<br>
> >> need about a package, we need to add that pronto. I consider it a<br>
> >> dealbreaker.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Andrei<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > dub fetch does this already (though probably not quite what you are thinking<br>
> > of). You'd need to specify the paths manually because if it installed them<br>
> > to the global compiler paths we'd have dependency hell (what if 5 projects I<br>
> > have need 3 different versions of a library?). Also, you'd need root<br>
> > permissions.<br>
><br>
> Yeah, but regardless, that's what I want.<br>
> I don't have version hell with C libs distributed this way...? Is this<br>
> a problem that people are specifically trying to avoid?<br>
><br>
><br>
> > That's not really how you use dub though. dub simply isn't a good fit for<br>
> > people who want it to be a system package manager. Its goals are different.<br>
> > If people want that they should work on getting libraries added to their<br>
> > preferred system's package registries.<br>
><br>
> Right, so, someone decide a path, we'll write it on <a href="http://dlang.org">dlang.org</a>, and<br>
> then everyone will agree and fall in line :)<br>
><br>
><br>
> > With dub you specify the dependencies in the dub config file, not in some<br>
> > obscure section of an INSTALL file as a command the users need to run. You<br>
> > can checkout a project using dub and with a single command have dub download<br>
> > and build all the dependencies (and their dependencies) and then build your<br>
> > project against them.<br>
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> I get it, it sounds great... if your app suits the model.<br>
> I have no D-only projects, all my programs combine many languages and<br>
> ecosystems.<br>
> There are also existing build systems that are well established that I<br>
> prefer to use, integrate with IDE's, etc.<br>
><br>
> I don't mind if people use dub, but I just want a way to fetch libs<br>
> that the compilers will then find automatically.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Just to be clear, libs are source libraries, right?</p>
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> > dub is about making it easy for 99% of users. If you need your own build<br>
> > system then using dub just to download packages is overkill. Use git<br>
> > submodules or add something to do a download of your dependencies from<br>
> > github as part of your custom build system.<br>
><br>
> Point is, I don't have to do this with C. I just install the dev<br>
> package, once, and I'm done. Package manager distributes updates<br>
> automatically, everything it exactly how I want it.<br>
> It's just not a wheel I have any interest in reinventing.<br>
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<p dir="ltr">This is a feature of your distribution, and not the language itself. I'm having talks with the Debian toolchain maintainer, we want to start shipping D programs and libraries with Debian/Ubuntu.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Binary libraries are going to be the most interesting problem here because dmd and ldc will be shut out from using them.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This is a semi call-out to the ldc devs, we should really align our ABIs together.</p>